Plz do not kill DLNA , think about adding SMB!

argyle43

doublevr but the difference here is that oftentimes the lifeblood of streaming, ie actual Internet, is not fast enough, not generous enough, or sometimes just not available at all. DLNA has always allowed me to get my fap on even if Comcast goes down, and Comcast often goes down!!

argyle43

doublevr I never had to use DLNA in my life.

A lot of people live in areas with subpar service. You can’t expect people to just up and move. Or start picketing their local providers to revamp the infrastructure because they need a wank. Never going to work. I think you’ll be surprised how many people you’ll be impacting here.

We’ve gone beyond simple DLNA here. Now we’re talking about download ability itself. Streaming will never be a universal ability until the planet is blanketed with geosynchronous satellites providing affordable consistent and fast service. Don’t see that happening anytime soon.

doublevr

argyle43 Poor internet speed is a fundamental challenge of the whole streaming industry. Especially for heavy bandwidth VR.

I'm really surprised many people find themselves in such a situation. I bet all over Europe you get 100Mbps as least default, while normally it's around 1Gbps now.

Definitely something to think about. On the other hand it's imminent for VR to rely on good connection. DLNA isn't really fixing it, but it's a way around.

dexter313

doublevr We are committed to community

Obviously false if this is the future of SLR. Or your just ignorant to the importance of the dlna feature itself. You don't know how vital dlna is to Q2 and VR users who want to keep a physical copy of media they purchased through your site. DLNA on deo is the only option to play downloaded scripts and scenes on Quest 2.. Streaming does not work for everyone in all areas. People pay and were offered to sub to download a physical copy of your scene and scripts.. Especially after this giant purge and editing of content recently why wouldn't people download videos SLR might delete or alter in the future.. When I signed up the key feature that made me buy into the premium+ was the ability to download videos and keep 3 scripts monthly as described by your own terms and fup.. You can't just alter your sign on terms willy nilly and expect happy compliance from the consumer.. I didn't make a fuss or look to pursue a case for a refund when you shadily changed your sign on terms from 50 downloads in 72 hours to 30.. But I will pursue a case for breach and be refunded in full if you follow through on this. Do not drop dlna.

Rakly3

dexter313 I just would like to throw some solace in the mix. HTTP streaming will still work. It's real easy to set this up and many many apps available to do this. Or even write your own. - I personally do local/home network streaming all the time with DeoVR and without using DLNA.

I just can not suggest you 3rd party tools or apps in case you suffer data loss or damages.

argyle43

doublevr bet all over Europe you get 100Mbps

This is not the case in many rural parts of the United States. I think you’ll find that you have more subscribers that do not enjoy the bandwidth speeds you mention, than actually do. Unlimited 100Mbps+ service is not as common as you might think.

Anyway, I’m now just repeating my points so I’ll let others weigh in. @doublevr, I appreciate that you stay engaged in this forum and respectfully ask that you be open to the many protests you’re going to see when others become aware of this thread and the potential direction you’re considering here.

midorijin

doublevr For info, the fiber is not deployed on 100% of each European territory, and even in the countries where it is well developed, there is still a huge share of customers still with simple copper adsl subscription.

It's not because the fiber is deployed that everyone has to have a subscription.

argyle43

doublevr To really enjoy VR you need a good headset

You haven’t heard from everyone on this yet. I know people with the very best headsets, Pimax and others, that avoid online streaming because the quality is far better downloading and streaming on their local network… via DLNA or similar.

doublevr

argyle43 Ultimately we are not able to provide experience we are looking for without a good internet. And it's not DLNA related

That's the real problem and I have no solution for it

aviator

You could just say flat out that in the future you're planning to be a streaming service only. Let me guess, you cant DL the scenes soon neither, or you'll have to buy them individually in order to do so? I'm sorry, but the tech isnt even close to being there yet, so the only thing you'll be doing is losing customers.

Also your own experience of never using dlna is not the customer research you may think it is. It's good to have visions and so on, but I think all youre doing is pissing of the existing customers with this.

doublevr

aviator Downloads are not going anywhere

MikeOxmall

No renewal for me. Support always blames the customers ISP yet I can max out my gigabit connection with many other subs, only SLR struggles to keep up. SLR get a better rep, this doublevr dude is a moron and doing so much brand damage. Just check out reddit.

aviator

doublevr Glad to hear

argyle43

doublevr Downloads are not going anywhere

Yet downloading and DLNA pretty much go hand in hand. Like milk and cookies, peas and carrots, Blake Blossom and Melody Marks.

doublevr

midorijin Just like back in the days there were people using floppy disks, CD Roms and USBs. It's not gone yet, but we won't be able to cater everyone. It's a two way street.

doublevr

Hunky-Dory Also the new UI is a massive step backwards, far to big, and it needs resolution, zoom, tilt on the main controls and popup for all other image options, and maybe an option to change the opacity of the UI to make it slighty see thru - but i won't hold my breath.

The idea is that everything could be programmed with controllers. You don't need a menu for that.

jay22111

doublevr
There should be a single controller option for controls, i do not even use a 2nd controller..

midorijin

doublevr Personally, I don't have the problem because I have a gigabit connection.

But I fully understand the situation of those who are not.

I will take for example the case of my country, France, 92% of the territory is connected to the fiber, but only 42% of the households are connected.

So on all the internet in France, less than 40% of the customers use the fiber, the rest is still on simple copper adsl.

And France is far from being the only country in Europe in this case.

The comparison with cd's, floppy disks and other very old technology is not really relevant because the users of these media, even if there are still some, must represent less than 1% of people.

On the long term, yes, fiber will be the majority and the copper network will disappear, but it's not tomorrow, on the short/medium term, adsl users will still be very important.

Edit: Even in the US, according to OECD statistics from a few days ago, there is less than 20% of the population using fiber (but still slightly more fiber users than adsl).

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jay22111

After reading the responses from @"doublevr" all i have to say is damn, how disappointing, frustrating and frankly expected given the way feedback generally seems to be handled around this app. I cannot believe part of the reasoning or rational is this is ok is "like when apple killed a floppy". Clearly if your engineers can figure out how to stream these experiences, its well within their skill sets to support other local streaming protocols.

ograncho

Please do not get rid of DNLA, it's the only way I'm able to play scripts and videos. My internet is decent but even still, I have issues with streaming, so I prefer to download them. I love the content y'all put out but if this gets axed I'll need to cancel my sub. Unfortunate too because I was going to pull the trigger on a lifetime sub. You say you pride yourself on listening to your customers, and there's a lot of us beating this drum

Rob5en

damn im speechless - How can u even consider to discontinue DLNA Support. Specially when there is no other player who supports 200 degi vids if im correct.
that would be a very wrong decision but how i see im not the only one thinking that.

LordCrash

Rob5en Specially when there is no other player who supports 200 degi vids if im correct.

Try HeresphereVR (via Steam VR). There is no native Oculus version available yet but you can at least try the PC version with sideloading in Steam VR. The developer said he will focus on the Oculus version once "the pc version is in a good spot".

HeresphereVR is even in early access much, much better than DeoVR already and yes, it supports fisheye videos, it's actually one of the reasons why it was developed in the first place. Newcomers might be a bit overwhelmed with the amount of options HeresphereVR offers but even in the "standard" mode it offers a smoother experience than DeoVR - and even a better picture (sharpness/colors/etc). It's also not a corporate product but a work of passion by a very dedicated and community-friendly developer who always tries to innovate and to include requested features.

I think once HeresphereVR gets a full native Oculus version DeoVR will be pretty dead, at least for the dedicated fanbase (to which I count probably 99% of the people in this thread).

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