By the way @KinkyGirlsBerlin I am a fan of your content but with there being so many studios and videos uploaded here on a daily basis it's understandable if 1 video per week is not getting as many views or earnings compared to years previously

I'm not trying to minimise SLR's lack of transparency by saying that

There have been some studios gaming the system by re-uploading their entire catalogue to the frustration of viewers, I think SLR has or is trying to prevent this from happening

A legit way to gain more views is by releasing a second bonus / extended video, VREdging do a "directors cut" that is generally 15+ mins of extra footage/positions - That's 2 videos for 1 filmed scene

Just a thought but maybe an extended unedited long-form blowjob scene could work as a separate release? Perhaps even in the style of VREdging (you can tell i'm a fan of theirs) 😆

I don't know if the women in your videos do their own hair & makeup on set but it could be an idea to film it in an intimate behind-the-scenes format, sort of like a girlfriend getting dressed to go out - maybe even trying on outfits

But anyway I do hope SLR make some changes for the betterment of studios because as it stands things are only getting worse and it's driving both studios and customers away

    jommy That's false. People watch 2D porn, if SLR has 2D porn and they hear about it, some will come check it out. It's still very early days and not a ton of it yet, but give it time and you'll see

    How do you know that this is false? Maybe a hand full but am not counting 100 people. Do you know some inside numbers that the rest of us don't know"
    Even if a small few decide to pay for free porn for some reason. That don't help any of the VR companies. They are going to watch 2d. But now the VR companies have to loss money to the people that are here for VR that happen to watch a couple of 2d videos from time to time.

    I will mark this down and give it some time and be looking to see. How long do you figure this will take for us VR guys to see the benefit?
    The only people that benefit from 2d being here is the companies that make or have old 2d videos just lying around and SLR. We the VR customer surely do not benefit.

      manok87346 I read on many other posts that you CAN actually filter 2D from your timeline. Still not perfect for new releases of an model that turns out to be 2D though - but anyways. Give it a try. I would prefer separate categories though to keep the feed cleaner.

        fenderwq Most creators also have no clue - I read about different answers that SLR gave in the past. Watchtime and clicks are important it seems. But also each member is worth a certain amount of money per day (not month but that´s where the money comes from - so a 5 Dollar subscriber is worth less than a full price subscriber and about Lifetime nobody knows or speaks). This daily worth seems to be spread over the content he watches... but if he watches no video on a day - nobody knows what happens to that money - will it be added to the other days? And if so... if a user just watches 1 Video per week will 60% of his monthly fee be given to the creator of this one video? No wayyyyyy.
        All we can see is how many views we had, how many hours have been watched and what we get per day. Doing the math the revenue got halved within 2 years. No explanation why. Are our videos less good? Are the viewers paying less or watching more? No idea...

            g2kbuffetboy Thanks - I would also not be aware without some background information and my own experiences with other lifetime offers. I have for example an lifetime subscription to a Social media planning tool. Which all the sudden did not work with twitter any more and then got replaced by a BETTER version that I can buy lifetime for just XXX dollar - I could also still use the old version of course... which was deleted another 6 month later. So I learned that lifetime cannot be sustainable for companies that have ongoing costs for hosting, staff etc. as at a certain point lifetime is longer than the money lasts 😉 So there must be something about it to make it worth for SLR - and part COULD be just simply not sharing this money - OR (this is not the case I hope) they push their income numbers and user count with them for an exit...

              doublevr That would be sad. People should be able to express their worries (and I do not feel I was overly bad in what and how I said it) without getting negative effects from it. I know that the company SLR is run by people that decide from the guts a lot - but I am not trying to offend somebody personally but help creators to voice their concerns. And I see that at least a dozens of them is not speaking out as the fear exactly this - punishment and loosing income - could happen tells me a lot about their experiences. I was asking around "will you support me?" and they said basically "no, it´s not safe for us" ... well sorry, but if I cannot talk about my situation and how to improve it - why should I share my income almost 50/50 with somebody that does not support me fully?

                VRHotwife Same for all the discounts - I understand the market situation - You get 80+% discount everywhere - so if we do not do it, we cannot compete. But that also means that no creator can open his own site. A creator site would have a fraction of the videos as it´s mainly their own. So users expect a fraction of the costs while the creator only can attract a fraction of the users. So in order to make a living the creator HAS to ask what the big websites use as their default price but reduce it for advertisement up to 90% - working only if several hundred people are using it. A really tough situation

                  imratore WE talked about re-releasing videos with SLR as we wanted our old scenes to be re-coloured (I just learned the proper coloring later) and released again. We where told not to try and we did not as we did not want any trouble. They said they could replace the old scenes but they will not be on page 1 again. So we left them as are and wait for our own site to get the remasters out. Hearing that others did that though is making me shrudd my shoulders and go - ah, well... sticking to the rules sometimes sucks 😉

                    Hairsational AFAIK the best off stuff and other compilations got to the sandbox quickly where nobody watches them - we do not really want to recut or something - even though some scenes would need it - but recoloring was an idea and possibly upping the resolution for the very first scenes - but nah - explained why we did not do it - it is complicated with SLR sometimes.

                      petermc WEll - we also wish to know more. I replied to this in other forums... it is not very transparent. We do not know what makes more or less money, we just see that compared to numbers about 1-2 years ago the money per minute or view has halfed aprocimately - and as our success doubled we are at about the same payout now as we are 1-2 years ago despite having added 50+ scenes during this time. We all simply can just guess.

                        jommy transparency would stop us from guessing and possibly demanding stupid stuff as it is not how we think it is... but for this we would need transparency. And it would be almost half of all my demands.

                          jommy Nice ideas - thanks for them ... some we also had. WE will find a way. SLR is open for short videos and does not mind advertising our own website once we have it. At least for now. Let´s see what happens once we pulled that off and release shortened videos here while the full videos will be on our website - I fear this is not well received by SLR (and possibly not even the viewers)

                            KinkyGirlsBerlin seems complicated. You know I don't think lifetime or discounts are the real issue. It's how revenue is shared.

                            I mean permanent discounts on porn sites are usually the real price and just a way to trick users into making them believe they get a good deal. I did notice the overall discount has become much more significant last year though. Like lifetime becoming only 300. If that is applied almost permanently then that's basically a price decrease
                            No idea how sustainable all that is, but yeah, lifetime is usually a quick way to get a influx of cash to fuel growth. I think that only works if you grow rapidly though.

                            But bottom line, imo, It's slrs job to make the model sustainable and if a studio like yours is struggling to make ends meet. Then I think it's not. So hope things get better for you guys.

                              I understand that lifetime subs can be good for a number of reasons in the case of SLR. It's a way to heavily boost your investment and increase user data in an evolving market. Like it would make no sense for non VR porn studios such as the vixen group to offer lifetime subs right now (unless it'd be very expensive). Hopefully SLR will stop giving the lifetime option in the future when the VR porn market is more mature.

                              Depending on your contract or whatever settlements there are between third party studios and SLR you obviously get affected by these lifetime subs, if they aren't transparent towards you guys and you are unhappy about your revenue then I guess you can either try to stand on your own, choose competing aggregators, start mitigating the problem on SLR (such as cropping up videos, extended releases and such), or like you do now, discuss it openly and maybe we the customers also get our voice heard.

                              For me as a user I get no added value when LethalHardcoreVR add a second version of their 2 months old scene (be it a 5 min extended version or other cuts, I don't care), I also get no added value when RealHotVR remove their scenes just to rerelease them a month later as "higher resolution" (well we know SLR's own opinion is about remastered videos). Deepinsex's constant double releases, perVRt's 5 scenes of one shooting... At the same time I have no problem with these studios doing this, UNLESS it negatively affects stuff that gives me value on the site, studios that try to push the tech forward and that try to vary their scenes, for example KinkyGirlsBerlin.

                              I hope that SLR can address this and find a way to benefit the customers and satisfy the studios at the same time.

                              I don't know what to say to all this; except that communication is important and that it would be detrimental for everyone to censor what you say when there is no reason to do so (it's not insulting etc.); and that your site: I find it great, and that it would be a shame to no longer see it (but hey I'll manage to pay elsewhere if necessary); and that I am a lifetime subscriber: but also a lifetime subscriber to wanks, virtual taboo, vrporn (that I do it for practical reasons and not for economy: it would be more profitable for me to pay monthly for all these sites - except slr: because you can only download 30 videos per month); and that I subscribe to other sites for a month when the lifetime subscription is not possible. In any case I say it again, I love your site and your actresses..For the converted 2D videos, I'm not interested for the moment because we can't download them (they are then in 2D), but I would be ready to pay more if we could download them in transformed 3D (and with a number of downloads that would be in addition to the 30 maximum)

                              These are some very interesting answers - like kind of all different but also some common sense. I see that there are many different opinions and also people do not seem to care a lot about the same things I do. But yes, a studio like us - two enthusiasts that do not have to make a living from it by now - can cut the production costs as much as we want ... the scenes no longer make the money back on SLR alone (which was the case once). All we can do is produce cheaper, release on more platforms, try to get external traffic going by advertising etc. But as long as our releases are on page 3 and beyond after just a few hours - it´s impossibe. Other studios get featured - we don´t. No idea whos ass to kiss to get some promo going 😉 And I am not really eager to find out.

                                KinkyGirlsBerlin yes, let's start doing stupid things just because you aren't happy with how much you are making the days. I understand that you’re frustrated, but the way you’re expressing it—provoking fans and creators—is not acceptable and crosses a line personally and professionally. This is your final and only warning. Any further inflammatory or disrespectful posts will result in an immediate ban and account termination. We expect all discussions on this forum to remain respectful, even when there’s disagreement.

                                Now to your points:

                                1. Economy is what it is. Everyone would be better off having 10x bigger economy, but attacking others or the platform won’t help it grow. We have created a leveled playing field to get the best content the most of earnings. No one can blame us for not being fair.
                                2. SLR is at the forefront of growing economy with PT, Scripts, AI and innovative user experience. There's no better way to boost economy than creating a value and we are the most invested into it. Discounts and lifetime memberships are proven acquisition strategies, not random devaluation. They grow the user base, which translates into more Premium viewers and ultimately more revenue for creators.
                                3. Flat isn’t replacing VR—it’s expanding the top of the funnel. It’s about attracting new users who aren’t yet familiar with VR, engaging them, and eventually converting them to VR content consumers. This ultimately means more eyes, more Premium subscribers, and more opportunities for everyone involved—especially VR creators. Flat videos currently take a minimal share of Premium budget. We let users decide what to watch offering a solid content proposition. It's actively evolving along with the platform evolution.
                                4. The initial integration of flat content into the main feed is currently causing some disruption and will be fixed soon. We can keep discussing it https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/8264-slr-flat-to-vr-immersive-stereo-60fps-optimised-screen-sex-toy-scripts

                                The conversation must remain professional.

                                    jommy it is overrun by 2D videos and there is no way to filter it out due to it being a half-broken segregated part of the website

                                    Its not an easy fix, but there is a workaround if you use the new site for Trans content. I posted about it here: https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/9673-honey-trans-studio/19 Caveat: for some reason using the new site to hide flat Trans studios wipes your "straight" hidden studios list, so you would have to rebuild it.

                                      doublevr Professional be warning once and then banning (censoring, punishing)? Well Elon Musk would be proud and salute you... I thought I am the German here.

                                      Thing is: When saying you are going to fix something - that´s all I wanted. Maybe a bit to aggressively but I tried silently by writing an email without screaming out to public - and all I got was nothing... not even the information that it is being worked on like you said just now.
                                      Also I am not familiar about who you are... you did not introduce yourself - just started with "you might not come back if you behave like this" - so I feel not valued as a partner more like a dog that has to behave (after rules that he has not been told before)...

                                      The playing field is not leveled - SLR Originals are promoted heavily while no other creator gets boosts - afaik.
                                      I cannot speak about fairnes - but transparancy - when or where do you explain how money is split exactly? What´s the reason for numbers going down at the end of the day? What is each view or minute or whatever worth? I have no idea and instead of teaching me you are warning me to shut my mouth.
                                      Flat is not replacing it - true ... it cannot. Why would you do it this way around? Presenting people 2D content (with 3D effect) in a Headset they already bought? It should be the other way around ... show the people that have NO headset how your content is much cooler on the headset. Create something that makes 3D kind of watchable in 2D - use the motion sensor of phones to let the users tilt the picture and watch behind an obsticle to create some kind of depth and then tell them that 3D porn is what they always wanted. THIS is how you grow the community - not by showing those who are part of the community what´s also possible with a semi good experience compared to full immersive VR180...

                                      I hope this is professional enough. I would normally charge for this and more business cunsulting. But SLR seems to know it all.

                                        It's unfortunate that you guys aren't making enough money. You put out really good content and almost all of your scenes get over 1k likes.

                                        I don't think 2d stuff is the problem though, it's automatically toggled off and i don't think many people even look for it.