fenderwq And that example is from a PT scene where the background is mostly the same color (= less bitrate needed). The girls are taking up very small portion of the frame too (= even less bitrate needed). On a non-PT or multi-girl scene the quality loss would be even worse.

      fenderwq Yeah wow that's an eye opener, that compression on the walls just looks horrible. I don't think anyone thinks 20 mbit/s is enough nowadays (well SLR themselves maybe). But yours is a good example. That whole scene looks kinda blurry anyway. And it's sad to see SLR is now at 20 mbit while the competition is at 75 mbit.

        Have you guys read what people that aren't on the forum but leave comments under the video on the site are saying about the newest scene? Legal Cast: Agatha
        Just a couple comments in case you don't read them

        Cramming an 8K video that's over an hour long into 14GB is pretty bad. This is turning into a tube site.
        FUCK THIS BULLSHIT, POST THE HIGH BITRATE VERSION YOU BASTARDS
        I paid for this video on top of my subcription and I don't see the high-bitrate available... I feel super screwed, and not the good kind.
        Apart from sharpening edges with that AI sharpening SLR uses, there's hardly any details on her face. No pores, skin texture, nothing.
        SLR is going backwards these days after having just solved this earlier.

        This comparison was done on a PT scene that already have less need for bitrate. Regular are even worse.
        It seems like low bitrate is the problem to me

        boudaba where did you take a screenshot from?
        next time please make a a snapshot from some editing software or video player with timecode in format 00:00:00:00 (hours/minutes/seconds/frames)
        consider the difference in left/right eye images and if you take a screenshot from one eye make sure to let me know which eye.
        and attach a full screen snapshot along with the cropped zoomed version
        took me some time but i think i found this frame
        on my side its 01:01:22:30 right eye.

        As i understand what we are discussing here is mainly the quality of the max 8k streaming file which is right now available for download, and not the master file.

        i will repeat again just in case

        Manny_S Streaming and all the possible resolutions. (that one goes after post production and we dont influence this)

        Hopefully some conclusions will be made after this sort of comparison and the team will rethink server transcoding approach.

        Now the only thing i can prove here is that the quality of the master files our post-production team produces is on the appropriate, acceptable, watchable level. With preserved as much as possible and enhanced details compared to the RAW footage.

        Here is the side by side comparison of the RAW vs Master vs Max8K + your screenshot

        a full body side by side

        And finally even a 2 minute cut of each video, except for the raw (no re-encoding, pure ffmpeg copy stream)

        HEVC master
        AV1 master
        MAX 8K (downloaded from SLR)

              SLR keeps saying there’s no visible difference between their 8K 20mbit/s “max quality” version and the original… but still wants you to pay 7 euros for that removed original because it’s soooo much better. Which is it? Either there’s no difference, or you’re charging for something you claim doesn’t matter. Pick a lie and stick to it.

              Also, AV1 is just a codec. Its only benefit is better compression, which is completely irrelevant when you’re comparing it to the original.

              Anyone checked the SLR Originals upcoming scenes that have a trailer - The Horizontal Offset is way off (Approx -4) !

              Quality control needs a bit of work i think - I'm guessing the full release will have these issues too.

                petex67 Will you guys be making Master HEVC available for PPV?
                I wanna make sure before I make a purchase.

                If there were HEVC masters, I wouldn't understand why we can't download them right now like before. The man said this is because there are none. So if they come back, I trust they will not be PPV but part of the premium subscription package again.

                    Silly-Sausage Some image distortion issues had been mentioned already in the comments of the Agatha scene when there was only a trailer. Was the full release okay? Haven't watched it yet.

                        Hey Silly-Sausage
                        just checked, and only trailer affected
                        the scene itself is fine
                        must be a mistake by editor who made trailer
                        i personally check every scene, but not the trailers.
                        thanks for pointing out
                        will be fixed soon

                            SchnuppiLilac Some image distortion issues had been mentioned already in the comments of the Agatha scene when there was only a trailer. Was the full release okay? Haven't watched it yet.

                            Not sure, i haven't watched it either

                              petex67

                              I am glad they've changed their mind. Still having trouble finding the old download button.

                                petex67 Does paying $6.99 even do anything right now?

                                Right now this is just for tipping but it will put smiles on faces for sure 😅

                                  @Manny_S
                                  I adapted the image with a screenshot I just took from the video and you can see how smooth it is on our side and how there is a lack of detail. I indicated the same value as you in millisecond but my frame looks lightly different. However you can see the difference.

                                  Here's the screen shoot took at 00:01:22:30 :
                                  https://gifyu.com/image/bMw6K

                                  I note you have one hour in your time code but it's the end of the video at this time and not the first minute.

                                    boudaba Yeah huge difference. Just compare the tip of her nose in those photos for example.

                                      This is what I've been trying to convey from the beginning. I'm no expert in video software, but you can see the difference between their version (studio) and the one we have (customer). It would be interesting if they compared with what they give to users and not from their assembly files.

                                        boudaba yeah not sure what's going on, the version they released to us is substantially worse than the 8k version. And if you look for example at the tip of her nose, you can see also a substantial difference between the master and the 8k version. Not sure if @doublevr is even aware of this?