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doublevr Valid points from a business standpoint. As for us, the consumers, we should not swallow whatever Meta or Apple trying to shove in our throats.

Apple in particular with their "Spatial video" and computing...etc....
It's just a way around to position themselves in the XR market after they missed the ride.

Just to be different and fool their cult and the unsavvy mainstream by claiming this is a new tech invented by them or something. This is pure marketing deceiving.

If they want a place in the XR market, they have to be both different and most importantly "better" not just only different.

Even Meta trying to hide the word "VR" now! They are using "Mixed Reality" to main both MR And VR. Basically going the Apple route.

Instead of these companies using the term Virtual Reality, they now use "spatial computing" and mixed reality which is ridiculous and not accurate at all of what VR really is, especially for guys like me who tried all of this AR/ MR games and videos and never impressed nor attracted by them at all.

They just want to leave us behind by not only the shift in terminology, but shift in direction.

I'm a VR ONLY guy and will remain that way regardless of the power and influence of these companies like Apple or Meta and I'm sure I'm not alone with this opinion.

Thankfully we have many other options and I don't care if I'm in the minority when it comes to market share. It's all about fun for me. And the only fun I had/ still have is with Pure VR. Nothing else is even close.

    Yeah, apple is the best at doing something somebody else pioneerd and acting like they invented it by slapping on a new name haha. But yeah, that avp, cool and all but I hate the apple ecosystem so I'd never buy it.

    Don't want to wait another 2 years or so before we get a new quest successor either. Also, I want something more high end that supports 8k+ video, has 4k per eye and a decent fov. Even the moohan headset will still be limited by the Qualcomm chip. Looks like I will be getting back to a pcvr headset. Hope vavle will come and safe the day with something amazing soon.

    Lots of interesting pc vr headsets comming out lately with amazing screens though. Like the ones mentioned also there is the meganex superlicht 8k.

      fenderwq Yes, It's called the MeganeX superlight 8K. It's manufactured by the Japanese Shiftall Inc. A subsidiary company of Panasonic if I recall correctly. It's not upcoming headset since it's actually shipped starting in February 2025.

      In terms of visuals. Currently, nothing can beat a headset that sports Micro‑OLED screen with 7320x3200 Total resolution like AVP.

      But, best visuals are just one part of the whole story when it comes to VR you know. At 3500 USD, it's supposed to be an enthusiasts VR headset. But there are many cons to AVP that don't appeal to the majority of VR enthusiasts like:

      Closed and very restrictive ecosystem as you mentioned.
      Overpriced for what you can really do with it compared to other way cheaper VR headsets like Quest 3 regardless of visual quality.
      Can't decode and smoothly play AV1 Videos with high resolutions like 6K+ So, it's stuck with HEVC to do that.
      With the wired battery pack required to power it, I don't see how it's different than any PCVR threaded headset IMHO.
      Doesn't run at its full native resolution, it uses Foveated rendering all the time even for light tasks @90Hz instead of the maximum 100Hz.
      And let's not bring VR gaming to the table, even with the support of PlayStation VR2 controllers in the future.

      I'll just bring this upcoming VR headset for comparison, because if it's shipped soon. AVP will no longer be the king of the hill when it comes to Visuals, let alone anything else this VR headset can do.

      Pimax Dream Air:
      Micro‑OLED
      7680x3552 Total resolution @90Hz
      Opened ecosystem (since it's a PCVR headset).
      No problems/ limitations with hardware decoders, since it's all done by the PC.
      Can actually run at full native resolution @90Hz with powerful PC equipped with RTX 4090/ 5090 for light to mid tasks and very close to native resolution for heavy tasks like VR games.
      Eye tracking for Dynamic Foveated Rendering and auto IPD adjustment.
      All that with a headset weighs less than 200 grams.
      Shipping in May 2025 with a total price of 1991 USD.

      If this headsets really shipped in May this year. As a VR enthusiast, I can't see how anyone will choose AVP over it to be honest.

          The main things I'm looking for in a new headset are:

          • 3-4K per eye micro OLED displays
          • AV1 decoding
          • A modest FoV increase over current gen headsets
          • Standalone capable
          • Good system software/ecosystem
          • Not Apple

          Hopefully someone can finally show up with a decent headset that doesn't require compromises.

            VRXVR Yeah but Pimax... take everything they say with a HUGE grain of salt. We're still waiting on the 12k that should have been release what is it? 2 years ago now. And yeah there are plenty of reviews out on the MeganeX like on MRTV. Looks nice. Not sure if it's my headset though.

                Hairsational yeah same, but I'd like passthrough and 8k+ decoding too. The FOV + OLED is pretty much out of the question short term though if you have been following what they released at display conventions. OLED screens are still too small for bigger then around AVP FOV.

                  fenderwq Damn, you still remember the 12K with 200° HFOV. I almost forgot about it! lol

                  I agree with you about Pimax. This is why I said "If this headset really shipped in May this year".

                  As for the MeganeX superlight 8K, it's a great PCVR headset, but unfortunately, what turned me away from it is Its use of Outside-in tracking which will require the use of base station/ lighthouse 1.0 or 2.0 tracking units like the Valve Index and the old generation PCVR Headsets from Vive.

                  Yes, It's still the most accurate tracking available till now, but it's inconvenient at least for me and I don't own them obviously. Add to that, I have to buy 2 Valve Knuckles or the older generation VIVE controllers, I don't like these controllers personally.

                  Other than that, it's really a great headset IMHO.

                      VRXVR Yeah same, my old base stations also developed a whine which is super annoying. Not worth the hassle anymore imo

                          fenderwq I would love to try a pimax just for that huge fov they claim. Even if the image quality isnt all that without a mac daddy pc that I dont own.

                          Still, the pricetag is steep even with one of the lower tier ones, and honestly they look a bit cheaply made

                              sogman used the 8kx for the longest time and that had an amazing FOV. That truly massive fov was amazing for porn even though it was blurry on the edges. At some point though video quality became greater then those displays can handle. Now I don't think it's a good tradeoff anymore.

                              As for the newer pimax headsets like the crystal. They state a massive fov but they aren't nearly as massive as they say (Pimax hugely inflates their fov in their marketing). It's more similar to index level FOV which makes sense when you cosider that the crystal has the exact same amount of pixels as the 8kx. You can't have the same pixel while increasing quality and remaining the same FOV.

                              Still their FOV is bigger then quest and the headset has much better screens. That's nice of course. The upcomming super will increase that by a lot again. All though that will need truly next gen video quality to be an advantage for porn over the crystal I suspect. Then there are these announced headsets that don't seem real yet so I don't really consider them as such with their track record.

                              Anyways, I wouldn't buy an 8kx at this day and age. Hope a better next gen high fov headset will come along though. Technically the somnium vr 1 fits this bill somewhat but it's too expensive for what it is imo.

                                  fenderwq FYI you don't need to use base stations with the Pimax 8kx for porn. I did use them but turned them off. Because you are not moving much it still knows where you are.

                                      sogman I went back to the Pimax 8kx. I love it. It's a trade off of slightly less image quality for way bigger FOV. It is no cheaper feeling than the Quest 3

                                          fenderwq I'm also still waiting on the Pimax 12k. I'm afraid they will go bully up before they ever make it.
                                          I don't understand why they made the crystal with the same FOV as every other headset. FOV was what made people buy them in the first place.

                                              rerun119 yeah, it's kinda sad, a big fov is really hard to do right though. The lenses are very tricky. I mean the 8kx has a huge sweet spot buts it's still blurry on the edges. It also needs very particular screens and comes at a sacrifice of ppd. Think pimax just went the easy route.

                                                rerun119 I think the quality loss at the best resolution/qiality is now pretty huge. More and more studios are getting way above this threshold now too.

                                                People percieve things differently though but it's a huge difference to me. But yeah that fov, it was amazing.

                                                  rerun119 yeah, hard to navigate withouth the controllers no? Or do you have others then knuckles

                                                      rerun119 fenderwq Despite what you say, the pimax is still been on my wishlist for years now. Clarity and FOV are 2 different things. They are just 2 different experiences. Still gonna be a while until I can afford a pimax of any kind cause Im assuming Ill also need to get a new PC on top of it, I only run a 2060 atm and an i7. Its just a lot of money for me to do a new pc and a pimax.

                                                      So I guess the direct question would be though, not for gaming but just for vr porn, not talking about clarity but talking about that big FOV with the pimax is it really giving you a better experience? I mean in these kinda videos, does it really make that much difference in your opinions? Or are you not noticing it as much in a way? I wouldnt know

                                                            sogman well I personally think how realistic the experience is more influenced by the quality of the image. Having said that, yes a big fov does really matter for porn imo and I really mis that.

                                                            Also, keep in mind that compared to say quest the pimax has a lot of other drawbacks. It's super finicky and hard to set up. It's really big. It has that back thing which makes it hard to lie down and lean against high chairs. You have to run pi tool and steam, and it needs a wire etc. It's quite a hassle for a wank so to speak. Even when you have everything set up.

                                                            Also, FYI. When I first bought the 8kx back in the day I had a 2070 which played most files well but I remember when the first 8192x4096 vids from vr allure came along my 2070 would start stutterring and struggling. Seeing the 2070 is quite a bit more powerful as the 2060 and 8000+ is basically the default now your card might not be good enough. Can't remember if the lower bitrate files did play fine though.

                                                              Not a fan of Pimax myself. Bought quite a few of their headsets, the 8kX being the last one. I give them props for trying to achieve wide FoV but honestly I never felt their lenses were any good, too much distortion and just not a good 3d effect at all. But opinions on Pimax do vary among users.

                                                              About upcoming headsets, my ideal porn headset has passthrough so Pimax already is off the table. Personally I'm interested most in the Samsung's Project Moohan. Rumoured to have 3552x3840 per eye, so even higher resolution than the AVP, better colors, passthrough available to developers. I honestly think this will be the best porn headset for a while to come.

                                                                The future headset that could win me over is one with:

                                                                • high resolution OLED displays so that I can lay on my back in bed and watch movies on a big screen in awesome quality.

                                                                • reduced scub-diving feeling.

                                                                • larger FOV which might help a ton on the scuba-diving feeling

                                                                • better passthrough cameras

                                                                And off topic. I would like to see phones that are capable of shooting VR. That would open up so many possibilities for solo performers to shoot VR content.