Upcoming VR Headsets (WIP Discussion).

It's less of a hardware question, more of all the tech heavy features and devs/apps eco-system only Meta and Apple can do. Especially given there's no economy nor there's an easy way everyone hoped for back in 2015s.

Yeah, apple is the best at doing something somebody else pioneerd and acting like they invented it by slapping on a new name haha. But yeah, that avp, cool and all but I hate the apple ecosystem so I'd never buy it.

Don't want to wait another 2 years or so before we get a new quest successor either. Also, I want something more high end that supports 8k+ video, has 4k per eye and a decent fov. Even the moohan headset will still be limited by the Qualcomm chip. Looks like I will be getting back to a pcvr headset. Hope vavle will come and safe the day with something amazing soon.

Lots of interesting pc vr headsets comming out lately with amazing screens though. Like the ones mentioned also there is the meganex superlicht 8k.

VRXVR Yeah but Pimax... take everything they say with a HUGE grain of salt. We're still waiting on the 12k that should have been release what is it? 2 years ago now. And yeah there are plenty of reviews out on the MeganeX like on MRTV. Looks nice. Not sure if it's my headset though.

Hairsational yeah same, but I'd like passthrough and 8k+ decoding too. The FOV + OLED is pretty much out of the question short term though if you have been following what they released at display conventions. OLED screens are still too small for bigger then around AVP FOV.

VRXVR Yeah same, my old base stations also developed a whine which is super annoying. Not worth the hassle anymore imo

sogman used the 8kx for the longest time and that had an amazing FOV. That truly massive fov was amazing for porn even though it was blurry on the edges. At some point though video quality became greater then those displays can handle. Now I don't think it's a good tradeoff anymore.

As for the newer pimax headsets like the crystal. They state a massive fov but they aren't nearly as massive as they say (Pimax hugely inflates their fov in their marketing). It's more similar to index level FOV which makes sense when you cosider that the crystal has the exact same amount of pixels as the 8kx. You can't have the same pixel while increasing quality and remaining the same FOV.

Still their FOV is bigger then quest and the headset has much better screens. That's nice of course. The upcomming super will increase that by a lot again. All though that will need truly next gen video quality to be an advantage for porn over the crystal I suspect. Then there are these announced headsets that don't seem real yet so I don't really consider them as such with their track record.

Anyways, I wouldn't buy an 8kx at this day and age. Hope a better next gen high fov headset will come along though. Technically the somnium vr 1 fits this bill somewhat but it's too expensive for what it is imo.

fenderwq FYI you don't need to use base stations with the Pimax 8kx for porn. I did use them but turned them off. Because you are not moving much it still knows where you are.

sogman I went back to the Pimax 8kx. I love it. It's a trade off of slightly less image quality for way bigger FOV. It is no cheaper feeling than the Quest 3

fenderwq I'm also still waiting on the Pimax 12k. I'm afraid they will go bully up before they ever make it.
I don't understand why they made the crystal with the same FOV as every other headset. FOV was what made people buy them in the first place.

rerun119 yeah, it's kinda sad, a big fov is really hard to do right though. The lenses are very tricky. I mean the 8kx has a huge sweet spot buts it's still blurry on the edges. It also needs very particular screens and comes at a sacrifice of ppd. Think pimax just went the easy route.

rerun119 I think the quality loss at the best resolution/qiality is now pretty huge. More and more studios are getting way above this threshold now too.

People percieve things differently though but it's a huge difference to me. But yeah that fov, it was amazing.

rerun119 yeah, hard to navigate withouth the controllers no? Or do you have others then knuckles

rerun119 fenderwq Despite what you say, the pimax is still been on my wishlist for years now. Clarity and FOV are 2 different things. They are just 2 different experiences. Still gonna be a while until I can afford a pimax of any kind cause Im assuming Ill also need to get a new PC on top of it, I only run a 2060 atm and an i7. Its just a lot of money for me to do a new pc and a pimax.

So I guess the direct question would be though, not for gaming but just for vr porn, not talking about clarity but talking about that big FOV with the pimax is it really giving you a better experience? I mean in these kinda videos, does it really make that much difference in your opinions? Or are you not noticing it as much in a way? I wouldnt know

The future headset that could win me over is one with:

• high resolution OLED displays so that I can lay on my back in bed and watch movies on a big screen in awesome quality.

• reduced scub-diving feeling.

• larger FOV which might help a ton on the scuba-diving feeling

• better passthrough cameras

And off topic. I would like to see phones that are capable of shooting VR. That would open up so many possibilities for solo performers to shoot VR content.

sogman I have owned 2 Pimax 8kx. The first one I had for a long time and bought it in the early times of it coming out. There was a learning curve for the headset. Like @fenderwq said about it being big. I did end up buying these weighted sand bags that you velcro to the sides so that the weight is even. It worked like a charm. I can now wear it for hours without any side effects.
Also I use a pillow to lay my head down on so I don't notice anything from the back of it.
Also it took my a long time to realize that you don't need the base stations for it to work. Before if the base stations lost site or whatever then the headset would go wonky. I ended up moving the base stations a bunch of times to try to get it perfect. Then finally one day I turned off that feature and bingo it doesn't need then for porn. You don't move enough for it to lose where it is in the room. No problems since.
One of the biggest things was that the first one I bought finally crapped out. So I went and got a Quest 3. I used it for 6 months to a year and kelp thinking about the Pimax so I bought a furbished used one from Pimax. This one is way nicer. Like @fenderwq said about the edges being blurry was true for the first one I had. It is not true for the second one. I'm guessing because it was made later on and they figured something out.

Over all the picture in the Quest3 is crisper and with brighter colors. But I notice the sides being a black ring of nothingness that all other headsets have. The second I notice it it takes me out of the imagination of being there. The Pimax is so big that it is almost everywhere you look. If you are looking straight ahead then you will not notice any black anywhere. It's a complete view of VR world. Maybe my eyesight is not 20/20 anymore but the trade off of image is well worth it. Also I don't watch many so called 8K videos because they all have the same problem with scaling.
I always vote for give me life size image over beautiful gaints.

fenderwq I don't use Knuckles, I use an xbox controller to the PC.

rerun119 Yeah, let's hope we get some better FOV high res headsets soon. Like the hypervision ones.

VRXVR yeah, the very big pancake lenses they make are super interesting. Wonder when they are gonna release though. They've been teasing it forever.

sogman Everybody wants a headset like this. But a standalone 500-600 headset with better specs then Quest won't exist for the foreseeable future as Quest headsets are heavily subsidized by Meta and at a similar price. Also large FOV and passthrough are very technically challenging to mix.

As for guassian splatting and similar technologies: They are ways to make volumentric images/videos. There is a lot of promising research in this area lately and a lot of people see the potential for volumetric porn in this format. There are also already some companies that use this to deliver volumetric porn (walk around porn so to speak).

It's not really high quality yet but research in this area is moving very fast. So it will be exciting to see where we are in 1 to 2 years here. Decent quality (e.g. the equivalent of good 4K) volumetric porn will likely be a thing then. Even the current demo's are pretty cool. Not high enough quality for me but it makes you ache for when this gets good.

sogman Yeah, volumetrics are super. Best I've seen so far (in porn) is this: https://www.patreon.com/c/XXXDimension/home. Still just short and low res experiences but still found it cool to try out and imagine how crazy this will be in the future. Can't wait

fenderwq I see a bunch of content blurred out, is this all free if I make a free account or do you have to pay to see anything? Never been on that site before

sogman If you just install the Voluverse app that you will need for this you can watch two SFW Micky Muffin examples and some other stuff without signing up to anything. If I remember correctly, the free account lets you watch some XXXDim samples but most of the content you can only watch with the paid subscription that gives you full access.

SchnuppiLilac Are you paid or using free? If so, in its rough state, is it worth the cost looking back or would you wait to pay for more than the free stuff. Im cheap lol

sogman I have been a paying user for two or three months. If the free samples still make you curious for more, I think it's worth paying for one month since it's only like 5-10 bucks. One month will be enough to explore all the content.

The reason I finally decided to cancel was that content updates are rare. I think what you can expect at best is like one new 'scene' per week with a duration of a few minutes.

Image quality-wise, I thought it was quite okay considering the early state and limited resources behind it. What bugged me more was the app which can be a pain to handle, but it's working. Another thing I noticed was that performers never seem to look you in the eyes. Would be so much better if they did.

An unsolved problem of this tech which also occurred in what Naughty America was doing is open mouths. It seems to be a problem to properly scan body cavities and faces with open mouths look a bit weird.

What's definitely a great experience is to get an idea of how it would be to walk into a scene and become part of it. If they had a huge content library, I would have definitely stayed for longer.

harigeharry You are right, noticed your suggestion only after posting, and I always knew there must be a reason for off-topic being my middle name

sogman definitely very rough. But you know. Cool to see an example at least. But yeah, not good enough imo. Also, it's limited by quest processing power.