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helaA610 The audience doesen't really know what the audience wants.
It is the job of the artists to deliver something new and fresh, and by making changes they attract newcomers too.
I've witnessed it many times,
and I'm confident that SLR is in a similar stagnant situation right now, by only producing VR POV videos they think they are catering to the wider audience, whereas VR POV is actually niche in the bigger porn scene.

Not everyone is interested in "simulating" that they are having sex, porn is voyeurism by definition, most people just want to watch a good performance, this is what pornstars are for, this is why male pornstars are popular/viral like Rocco Siffredi, Johny Sinns, because of their performances, and with POV there is none of that, it's just a girl with her mouth open staring at the camera, and unless you are in the same position of the guy , it's not very immersive.

    I'm very sorry but I have to repeat this to make it clear, what I mean is, I believe that POV VR porn is actually niche and y'all got it backwards.
    It seems counter intuitive because it's the most produced type of video... Yes, but only in the niche POV VR sites like SLR.

    In the wide porn scene, people are not interested in simulating having sex, using fleshlights, getting in the same position as the actors... I tried it when I first got VR and... It just wasn't for me.

    So, when you produce POV videos, you are producing for the niche category of people interested in simulating sexual intercourse, the same crowd that buys fleshlights , sexdolls etc.
    The majority of people that watch flatscreen porn don't simulate, and are not interested in simulating, they just watch and enjoy the performance.

    The point is, simulating is not better than watching flatscreen, because it's an already niche taste, as I will keep repeating, because I have to in this context as it's so incredibly counter intuitive, like talking about water among fish...

    However, NonPov porn IS BETTER than flatscreen. It's not a fetish or taste, it's just an objectively better medium, just like how 4k is better than 720p, and once you try 4k you can't go back to 720p.

      Rustam1990 You are so right about 13-15 "Golden Era"
      I think page 14 is the best SLR page there is. It is so frustrating when it was like that and you assume it's going to stay that good or even get better. Soon after 13 they get the 8K giant maker that took almost a year to figure out and they never got back to the greatness.
      Still have fingers crossed they can get back there somehow. You would think they could since it's the same company and director.

      BML2000 This is so true. I would think you could say to the girls "this is not 2d, we want you to act and talk like you would with your boyfriend after a romantic date"

      flo The majority of customers tends to immerse themselves in more realistic scenarios

      I agree with this but they spend more time making Step-daughter and banging the neighbor, or sugar baby then GFE.
      I think there is tons of ways you can do GFE type scenes that are different from each other. They just have to think about Hot real life situations. How about you wife blowing you in the car. Making you dinner. ect

      pkloverx I tried it when I first got VR and... It just wasn't for me.

      You are saying all this because YOU don't like POV but you are in the minority.
      Reality Lovers tried filming both and finally stopped filming the NON-POV because they didn't get the numbers like they did for POV.

      VR is not 2D, repeat VR is not 2D
      Some people like watching people fucking which is fine. I like watching JackandJill videos. I do not believe this is the biggest audience for VR. To say POV is niche because people don't like it is 2d. Is apples to oranges.

        rerun119 I am the minority here, yes. But that's only because VR is perceived as a sex simulator, which is my point.

        In the bigger picture, I am not the minority, that's my point.
        People come in to VR, they are presented with porn, and it's just simulation type videos where you have to get in the performers position in order to be immersed.
        Some are lazy(like me) others find it awkward (not like me) and so they are turned away, and go back to watching flatscreen porn.

        If I didn't find the very few NonPov videos, I wouldve done that too, I wouldn't be here talking about this.
        I say this because VR Nonpov porn is better than Flatscreen Nonpov porn, I just can't go back to that, it's like upgrading from 480p to 4k.

          rerun119 Wether POV or NonPov, you are still watching other people fucking, the difference is that in POV you have to imitate the guys position to be immersed.

          Also I agree that NonPov is not the biggest audience for VR Porn right now, but that's because VR has been perceived as a simulation device and so it attracted an initial crowd of people that are looking for that, especially back during inception.

          As more people got into VR and as time passed I think that's changing, and SLR and other sites/studios are blindly turning away a lot of people that could be potentially converted from watching flatscreen to VR, as an upgrade.

          I like Jack and Jill too, I used to watch them in flatscreen. I only watch them in VR now, just can't go back.

          pkloverx Disagree with everything you said except that VR POV is niche within porn. It is, but you are in the minority of minorities though as you are interested in a niche within a niche. If people want a hassle free easy porn viewing experience with non pov porn, they'll just use their computer and phone. You cannot disassociate the platform and medium with the content though. It is precisely why we have more vertical videos now since smartphones, even though widescreen is better. Why do you think 'VR is perceived as a simulation device'? Because it is so. VR as a medium is entirely about immersion. If you were talking about AR glasses like the Rokid, I might agree. Until the Quest becomes something like a Bigscreen Beyond, none of this is changing, and even then POV will probably still be preferred. The majority of people want the full experience, and want to make use of the technology they've paid for. Why did you buy your VR headset for? Games are also almost entirely in POV except some AR games. Roomscale AR stuff, including productivity apps are in your own POV. Did you buy your VR headset just to watch nonpov porn?

            hypertsunaz Yes, right now NonPov is a niche within a niche, and I believe it to be solely circumstancial due to how VR was perceived at inception, and the initial crowd that had a headset were into simulation and got the headset to level up that.

            And now, when people that are not into simulating sex, which is the majority outside of here, when their curiosity sparks and they go to check VR Porn, all they find is simulations such as NSFW 3D games and VR POV.

            Now hopefully the picture is clear and easy to see, and from here I go a step forward which people might agree or not, where I imagine that the people turned away from simulation (POV and 3D games), would have stayed if there was NonPov, which is like a direct upgrade from flatscreen.
            If someone likes to watch a flatscreen scene, they will also like to watch the VR NonPov version, as it's an improvement like if someone likes to watch a scene in 480p, they will enjoy that same scene in 4k.

            I bought my VR headset to play videogames.
            When I tried VR Porn, I was initially uninterested because I am not into simulating sex, getting in the same position of the guy etc.
            And my guess is that there's a lot of people that have a VR headset collecting dust and occasionally being used to play videogames, all in the while, they keep watching flatscreen porn.
            I'm pretty sure it's a known fact that a significant % of VR headsets collect dust , but then the fact that their owners watch flatscreen porn is a guess of mine.
            And another guess is that if those people were presented with the choice of watching the same flatscreen scene , with same perspective and angles, in VR 4k, they would atleast give it a try, and most of them would be unable to go back to flatscreen.

              doorsareopen There is a studio called PS-Porn who does that, they shoot atleast 3 types of scenes with each model.
              1 solo with the girl, 1 POV sex scene, and 1 NonPov sex scene.
              Their camera quality and performance is great,
              My favorites from them are the scenes with Fanta Sie, Katy Rose, Olivia Sparkle

              pkloverx Lots of guesses and personal believes. Anyways you didn't say anything new that you've been saying the whole time or actually reply to any of my points.

              hypertsunaz
              " 'VR is perceived as a simulation device'? Because it is so. VR as a medium is entirely about immersion. "

              Immersion and Simulation are two different things.
              And so you wrote "Why is VR perceived as a X device? Because it is so. VR as a medium is entirely about Y"

              Immersion is why a lot of people buy expensive 3D Surround stereo setups, 4K screens and so on, because they are more immersive.

              Simulation, is different, people who are into simulation buy fleshlights, or even make them , or as a SFW example, they buy steering wheels for racing games etc.

                pkloverx A successful simulation aims to maximize immersion by reducing barriers that remind us thy are in a virtual environment. Immersion and simulation correlate strongly as immersion depends on how convincingly a simulation mimics reality.

                pkloverx Bro, we get it – you are into voyeur and there is barely any decent voyeur content. The things you are saying about POV are all nonsense though. The VR industry as a whole didn't accidently gravitate towards a niche genre.

                  pkloverx The majority of people that watch flatscreen porn don't simulate, and are not interested in simulating, they just watch and enjoy the performance.

                  ...i don't know about that mate. Pretty certain there's lots of simulation going on, even if it's just wanking yourself off. i've spent a while looking for data on "percentage of people who masturbate whilst watching porn", somewhat fruitlessly. There's plenty of stats on how the overwhelming majority of people do so for sexual pleasure, but no hard data on how many people don't stimulate themselves.

                  Personally, i think it's gotta be a very small percentage. Do you have any data yourself?

                  i hear you about the experience of VR vs 2D for non-POV, that's how i got into VR initially. But there are numerous ways they differ. Over the years, i've found i'm quite happy to watch 2D porn, principally because you can't film cinematically in VR like you can in 2D. Try panning from side to side a few times, and see how fast everyone throws up.

                  So if you're filming a scene in both VR and 2D, you need to make sure it has fixed camera angles, focused lighting, and all the other magic that goes into making a good VR scene, otherwise you'll be short selling the VR. At which point, all things being equal, i'd agree, the VR shoot would be more entertaining to watch than the 2D shoot.

                  pkloverx you have to get in the performers position in order to be immersed.

                  No you don't. It's definitely a thing, people have great fun playing with torsos and all that, but it's not necessary. i watch everything sitting up in bed, wrtvr the position, though i'd admit to lying down a bit for the lying down scenes, but it's not a requirement. My brain does all the heavy lifting of where i am in space time, no worries. Maybe that's why i don't like PT, i'm very indebted mentally to the scene for my positional map, when i see myself it goes haywire...

                  pkloverx The audience doesen't really know what the audience wants.

                  Here you go. I remembered that SLR shot the exact scene you think VR should be doing.
                  https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/anal-princess-2d-flat-49811
                  Is this your favorite scene on here? You probably should get in the comments to let everybody understand that this is really what they want because they all seem to misunderstand what they are looking for.
                  Good Luck with your crusade

                    Not read the entire post but just want to say what I said before in similar threads.... There's a large list of performers in 2D land on sites like ManyVids, that are hugely successful in POV virtual sex. These performers are creative powerhouses that can do hour long scenes or 15 mintutes that are engaging, immersive, inventive and creative.

                    Look at a performer like Sydney Harwin. She makes one banger after another. Why not offer her assistance and get her into VR? Get her a setup, help with editing, do's and don't 'to in VR, etc. Get the top performers on sites like ManyVids onto your platform.

                    You've used Penny Barber in a few scenes by now. She's on ManyVids too, doing the same thing as Sydney Harwin. Why not get her scenes in VR too.

                    At least that will be something out of the box and something different. And it offers the fan groups of these type of performers a doorway into VR.

                      OliverDK

                      Exactly. Get OF, Cam girls and manyvids chicks into VR. I assume they would be cheaper than going after the Angela whites of the world