Rustam1990 Yeah that was before Alex Nash started making cookie cutter scenes
2025 Production: Innovation v Viewer Expectations
doublevr listening to user feedback
I have one request, pov is in a good space right now, camera position is less of a problem, wouldn't change anything, but what I'd like to see added to the pov category, I'd like to see headcam pov, similar to koalavr, he does great work BTW! But his style of headcam works great, I watch this content and can only imagine what our favorite pornstar hotties would be like with the headcam pov content, will be fun.
But yeah, pov is great right now, all studios are killing it right now with the POV...
now let's focus on non pov, and try headcam pov like koalavr and film vlog style/tiktok content! Will be great!
Can't forget PT! PTGANG!
Lol that pt is something else!
doublevr greatly boost out VR production.
Content is king!
@doublevr I see the dilemma which you are facing. It is a competitive market and growth is probably becoming difficult. The majority of customers tends to immerse themselves in more realistic scenarios, and that’s a bedroom GFE Setting with some casual poses in POV. Something which is already filmed thousands of times. And this isn’t something where you can really experiment or change much. The dilemma is that every experiment and change in that pattern will make some users very happy, but the majority will not prefer it, so the return of investment will not be that great, unless you really find the next big thing which everyone wants but nobody knows it yet. I honestly wish you good luck in finding that thing. Don’t stop in being innovative, but a hybrid strategy in perfecting things which are known that they work and testing innovations and doing experiments is the way to go.
flo if you just try to please your existing customers, you don’t get growth. You need to do different types of scenes to attract new customers. It’s fine to continue to produce the GFE stuff so as not to alienate your subscribers but that shouldn’t be all you produce. People who watch flat porn are used to seeing more variety and you’ll never entice them over here with just purely girlfriend simulations. Making sweet love to your girlfriend has never been what porn is about.
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Basically making the biggest hack rookie mistake I'm going to experiment for the sake of experimenting. Rather than saying, I want to accomplish 'X' and have ideas on how, and will experiment to that end. And by the wording that's not what's happening. Would there maybe be a 'variety' of casting by giving normal 'flat' crews vr cams to film non pov, it's already tried, and neither has an interesting discussion on how it can grow or much of a growing audience in vr. Other than that nothing is even alluded to, regarding why you want to change what does work to improve scenes. Maybe post when having defined goals with even an attempt at a path to it?
Limiting yourself to making only POV videos reminds me of the google cardboard days, where VR was only seen as a "simulator"...
Well tbh it's not out of brand since the site name is SexLikeReal, as it was created back at VR inception, but I hope that we'll just keep the name and not the idea going forward because that view is so limiting.
There are up and coming studios like "HotwifeVR" and "NEWPORNSTARLETS" who are bravely taking the lead in producing NonPov videos.
Despite the initial and usual flamewar, they said in the replies to the comments that they find it hotter.
It's actually not the first time that I see studios themselves preferring to record NonPov.
They are getting a good and consistent amount of views/likes, proof that there is an audience that appreciates it.
Filming in NonPov not only allows for more interesting angles and perspective but also allows the actors to fully perform, with passion and intensity, without having a camera separating them.
helaA610 The audience doesen't really know what the audience wants.
It is the job of the artists to deliver something new and fresh, and by making changes they attract newcomers too.
I've witnessed it many times,
and I'm confident that SLR is in a similar stagnant situation right now, by only producing VR POV videos they think they are catering to the wider audience, whereas VR POV is actually niche in the bigger porn scene.
Not everyone is interested in "simulating" that they are having sex, porn is voyeurism by definition, most people just want to watch a good performance, this is what pornstars are for, this is why male pornstars are popular/viral like Rocco Siffredi, Johny Sinns, because of their performances, and with POV there is none of that, it's just a girl with her mouth open staring at the camera, and unless you are in the same position of the guy , it's not very immersive.
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I'm very sorry but I have to repeat this to make it clear, what I mean is, I believe that POV VR porn is actually niche and y'all got it backwards.
It seems counter intuitive because it's the most produced type of video... Yes, but only in the niche POV VR sites like SLR.
In the wide porn scene, people are not interested in simulating having sex, using fleshlights, getting in the same position as the actors... I tried it when I first got VR and... It just wasn't for me.
So, when you produce POV videos, you are producing for the niche category of people interested in simulating sexual intercourse, the same crowd that buys fleshlights , sexdolls etc.
The majority of people that watch flatscreen porn don't simulate, and are not interested in simulating, they just watch and enjoy the performance.
The point is, simulating is not better than watching flatscreen, because it's an already niche taste, as I will keep repeating, because I have to in this context as it's so incredibly counter intuitive, like talking about water among fish...
However, NonPov porn IS BETTER than flatscreen. It's not a fetish or taste, it's just an objectively better medium, just like how 4k is better than 720p, and once you try 4k you can't go back to 720p.
Rustam1990 You are so right about 13-15 "Golden Era"
I think page 14 is the best SLR page there is. It is so frustrating when it was like that and you assume it's going to stay that good or even get better. Soon after 13 they get the 8K giant maker that took almost a year to figure out and they never got back to the greatness.
Still have fingers crossed they can get back there somehow. You would think they could since it's the same company and director.
flo The majority of customers tends to immerse themselves in more realistic scenarios
I agree with this but they spend more time making Step-daughter and banging the neighbor, or sugar baby then GFE.
I think there is tons of ways you can do GFE type scenes that are different from each other. They just have to think about Hot real life situations. How about you wife blowing you in the car. Making you dinner. ect
pkloverx I tried it when I first got VR and... It just wasn't for me.
You are saying all this because YOU don't like POV but you are in the minority.
Reality Lovers tried filming both and finally stopped filming the NON-POV because they didn't get the numbers like they did for POV.
VR is not 2D, repeat VR is not 2D
Some people like watching people fucking which is fine. I like watching JackandJill videos. I do not believe this is the biggest audience for VR. To say POV is niche because people don't like it is 2d. Is apples to oranges.
rerun119 I am the minority here, yes. But that's only because VR is perceived as a sex simulator, which is my point.
In the bigger picture, I am not the minority, that's my point.
People come in to VR, they are presented with porn, and it's just simulation type videos where you have to get in the performers position in order to be immersed.
Some are lazy(like me) others find it awkward (not like me) and so they are turned away, and go back to watching flatscreen porn.
If I didn't find the very few NonPov videos, I wouldve done that too, I wouldn't be here talking about this.
I say this because VR Nonpov porn is better than Flatscreen Nonpov porn, I just can't go back to that, it's like upgrading from 480p to 4k.
rerun119 Wether POV or NonPov, you are still watching other people fucking, the difference is that in POV you have to imitate the guys position to be immersed.
Also I agree that NonPov is not the biggest audience for VR Porn right now, but that's because VR has been perceived as a simulation device and so it attracted an initial crowd of people that are looking for that, especially back during inception.
As more people got into VR and as time passed I think that's changing, and SLR and other sites/studios are blindly turning away a lot of people that could be potentially converted from watching flatscreen to VR, as an upgrade.
I like Jack and Jill too, I used to watch them in flatscreen. I only watch them in VR now, just can't go back.
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pkloverx Disagree with everything you said except that VR POV is niche within porn. It is, but you are in the minority of minorities though as you are interested in a niche within a niche. If people want a hassle free easy porn viewing experience with non pov porn, they'll just use their computer and phone. You cannot disassociate the platform and medium with the content though. It is precisely why we have more vertical videos now since smartphones, even though widescreen is better. Why do you think 'VR is perceived as a simulation device'? Because it is so. VR as a medium is entirely about immersion. If you were talking about AR glasses like the Rokid, I might agree. Until the Quest becomes something like a Bigscreen Beyond, none of this is changing, and even then POV will probably still be preferred. The majority of people want the full experience, and want to make use of the technology they've paid for. Why did you buy your VR headset for? Games are also almost entirely in POV except some AR games. Roomscale AR stuff, including productivity apps are in your own POV. Did you buy your VR headset just to watch nonpov porn?
hypertsunaz Yes, right now NonPov is a niche within a niche, and I believe it to be solely circumstancial due to how VR was perceived at inception, and the initial crowd that had a headset were into simulation and got the headset to level up that.
And now, when people that are not into simulating sex, which is the majority outside of here, when their curiosity sparks and they go to check VR Porn, all they find is simulations such as NSFW 3D games and VR POV.
Now hopefully the picture is clear and easy to see, and from here I go a step forward which people might agree or not, where I imagine that the people turned away from simulation (POV and 3D games), would have stayed if there was NonPov, which is like a direct upgrade from flatscreen.
If someone likes to watch a flatscreen scene, they will also like to watch the VR NonPov version, as it's an improvement like if someone likes to watch a scene in 480p, they will enjoy that same scene in 4k.
I bought my VR headset to play videogames.
When I tried VR Porn, I was initially uninterested because I am not into simulating sex, getting in the same position of the guy etc.
And my guess is that there's a lot of people that have a VR headset collecting dust and occasionally being used to play videogames, all in the while, they keep watching flatscreen porn.
I'm pretty sure it's a known fact that a significant % of VR headsets collect dust , but then the fact that their owners watch flatscreen porn is a guess of mine.
And another guess is that if those people were presented with the choice of watching the same flatscreen scene , with same perspective and angles, in VR 4k, they would atleast give it a try, and most of them would be unable to go back to flatscreen.
doorsareopen There is a studio called PS-Porn who does that, they shoot atleast 3 types of scenes with each model.
1 solo with the girl, 1 POV sex scene, and 1 NonPov sex scene.
Their camera quality and performance is great,
My favorites from them are the scenes with Fanta Sie, Katy Rose, Olivia Sparkle
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pkloverx Lots of guesses and personal believes. Anyways you didn't say anything new that you've been saying the whole time or actually reply to any of my points.
hypertsunaz
" 'VR is perceived as a simulation device'? Because it is so. VR as a medium is entirely about immersion. "
Immersion and Simulation are two different things.
And so you wrote "Why is VR perceived as a X device? Because it is so. VR as a medium is entirely about Y"
Immersion is why a lot of people buy expensive 3D Surround stereo setups, 4K screens and so on, because they are more immersive.
Simulation, is different, people who are into simulation buy fleshlights, or even make them , or as a SFW example, they buy steering wheels for racing games etc.