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As we are discussing with SLR directors future steps of bringing something new we get stuck with basic principles of how things work in VR. Getting all the cool intros and themes is easy, it's hardcore parts making things difficult.
On one hand, we have a deeply immersive experience unlike any flat video; on the other hand, that very immersion dictates specific camera positions and viewpoints that leave little room for experimentation. While in flat these could be shot from any perspective.
“Perfect POV” standard is making all the hardcore parts the same movie to movie. If we miss to put these in a perfect spotlight it breaks VR experience for most. With some very few enjoying the unexpected. Directors find themselves pigeonholed into repeating the same positions and perspectives to maintain immersion and meet audience expectations. This causes scenes to feel the well predicted across different studios and films. Most of the “action” is forced to unfold directly in front of a stationary camera, locking directors into a single perspective. And every time directors step aside to make their videos less predictable they get all the hate for not catering a "perfect POV" for some or choosing "the same boring stuff" for others. Certain angles and sex positions have become the default for VR porn and even with different casting it feels the same. Any deviation often prompts complaints about the scene feeling “off” or “less immersive”, while it is what brings all the variety to flat.

We are totally looking to bring unexpected into VR for the new season. For the same reason we are getting into flat bringing diverse, multi-angled experiences. Also making these stereo, 60FPS, highest quality playback in VR on a bended screen for even more immersion. Adding AI Scripts, experimenting with PT and Build Your Own Journey on top.

We can provide both for different users:
• Variety and Innovation for those craving fresh, unpredictable perspectives.
• Consistency and Comfort for those who prefer the tried-and-true “perfect POV.”

We’ll continue iterating our approach, listening to user feedback, and refining our technology to deliver the best possible experience—whether viewers are watching in a headset or on their phones. Embracing flat is about exploring new angles, preserving the immersive core of VR to greatly boost out VR production.

Makes me thinking of a passthrough with girls herself and nothing else being the spotlight

    doublevr changed the title to 2025 Production: Innovation v Viewer Expectations .

    Also I think the lack of set variety is a restricting factor.
    It's difficult to make innovation when 95% of time it's the same kind of set.

    JAV is better at that and it's one of the part of what it's less boring.

      Avakian i really don't like the angles for most of SLR JAV

        I am not sure what you mean by unexpected. You are right in saying the current "formula" is quite vanilla or "feels the same", but I think SLRO VR scenes can be improved just by being more "immersive" and less reserved with what you can do with the current equipment than being "unexpected" or "unpredictable".

        Take a page out of the JAVVR book:

        1. Intimacy - lengthy cuddling, pre and post sex. Ear licking, whispering. Lengthy kissing not just a misplaced peck on the lips. Even though they speak a language I cannot comprehend it still feels hot.
        2. Fetish - Squirting into camera, spit in mouth, soap, taboo... Hardcore Stepmom, a recent taboo/fetish scene by SLRO was excellent (minus the non-POV). More of that.
        3. Use of props/extras - makes the scene feel more real. Have a girl feed you food. Have extras acting as parents/colleagues/strangers... Set the scene up to build sexual tension.
        4. Nonstandard positions - OK not JAV but VRPlayful at least tried to experiment with unusual positions
        5. More varied scenarios: check JAVtrailers to have an idea what the current VR scenes are like. Massage parlours, succubus, your private tutor, a trip with your colleagues/stepmum to the spa... Revive the "Scenarios" section in the forum and actively listen to your customers like what we did successfully with Modern Relationship.

        These are elements that are not "unexpected" but work super duper well for VR. No need to reinvent the wheel. If SLRO can do these things (they have tried exploring some in the past) already the scenes would already be a big improvement.

        doublevr I think the problem is that users in the west expect all positions in every scene every time. This makes it hard to do new things.

        Look at Jav, you'll get good variety per scene but not every position. Not even in those multi hour scenes. This leaves more room for experimentation and novel ideas. JAV has the scene length advantage though making it easier to take your time to do an idea well I stead of 2 minutes of intro or filler before getting back to the formula because everything needs to be crammed in to satisfy every user.

        If we want variety we should stop complaining about every scene needing everything all the time.

          As a side note. I love the creativity of JAV. Not everything is great and there are formulas in there too but there is soo much untapped potential there.

          When it comes down to it JAV usually really commits to doing a concept. In the west the concept usually feels more like a gimmick on top of the formula. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.

          I've noticed few if any studios try POV-VR without the fixed cam(cam moving with male talent's face). JAV does experiment here but it's still in its infancy, restricted to 4K or 6K at best. Hardly anything from SLRO side. Fact is that you're never restricted to fixed positions, angles, lack of hardcore action and you get all the variety you've ever wanted. It is the ultimate level of immersion IMHO. Some of the best scenes i've seen have come from this, yet it's a rarity.
          I get that fixing all that equipment on the male talent's head is no easy feat, but it's the sureshot way VR can grow leaving this vanilla phase.

          doublevr First half of the post was good but then it became buzzword soup with another flat porn sales pitch.

          Few, if any, people here care about flat when there is VR. Bringing flat porn does nothing to highlight what makes SLR stand out from the masses of generic non-VR porn sites out there either.

          Personally I don't think much needs to change with positions. Alex Nash could make some small tweaks to really perfect certain positions, but otherwise POV is good and the limited positions are fine. There could be more creativity in the scenarios and sets though.

            I'm wondering if the stats SLR sees in the background actually support any of these varied assertions or whether its just a response to the vocal minority.
            Or is it the visible tip of an unspoken iceberg of dissatisfaction--hence the question of whether the stats actually show any downtrends.

            Of course, there's always a third option: confirmation bias.

              fuccaneer personally for me vr porn is too much predictable scene to scene, cast to cast. I want to bring unexpected and wondering what's next.

              But how can you do it if you are expected to deliver fixed angle positions and everyone else is doing the same

                  doublevr immersion dictates specific camera positions and viewpoints

                  Yeah bro but that's for pov, shoot more non pov!
                  The pov that we as vr users use is great bro, it's improved a lot over the years, room for improvement? Sure but pov porn is great right now and there's so much of it, some viewers are Afraid more non pov will stop production of regular pov and that's not true, there will always be pov, but let's start producing non pov! More vlog type of content in vr, porn flicks, more non pov! We're going to see more movies being filmed in vr by Apple or meta, or some big movie production, should start doing that in the porn industry now.

                  Let's get creative!

                  I remember one video had these Easter bunny's, hotties with bikinis and mask, running around in a back yard playing fortnite, for a short porn scene that was pretty entertaining and fun to watch.

                  More non pov will help the creativity, imo.

                  Oh bro, you said
                  "VR production simply can't match all the variety and greatness of flat."

                  I disagree, start shooting more non pov, then it will start matching up to all the variety and greatness of flat 2d.

                  "Just do it" don't listen to "non believers" lol.

                  It will be awesome!

                  I'm ready to see our favorites vr hotties get smashed...

                  Bro on the real a lot of vr hotties I've never seen get smashed, I mean there's tad pole and porno Dan they be booking vr hotties, but the quality and lack of beefy studs smashing our favorite vr hotties is noticeable.

                  SLR Ghostbusters parody was great, had lil bit of both non and pov, Tru was getting smash by three tall beefy studs and John, lol I'm playing, John dose great work, in great shape too 😄, I use to hate his pov because I always felt the cam was to close like i didn't have a full body, I assumed he had a short torso, but they pulling back the cam more so he's good now👍

                  I might of went on to long but, vrp needs more non pov!👍

                  There's literally vr content jumping out of planes sky diving and people are sky diving with you.

                  I'm just saying 🤷

                  Hey bro, yall ever seen vrmotion on jillvr? Really great content 👏 kinda like vrqueens and twerk videos but it's different, really cool content. I be finding sum awesome content on Jill and deo. I wanna see more vlogish type of content for vrp.

                  And can we get more vrcamgirls to make content? I want to see popular tiktok dances preformed by some naughty hotties! would be awesome! 🥂

                  OK 🤐

                    xeddin1 This is an interesting comment. Why not use it? Why not make some polls here among regular users to see what they want? For example, in my opinion there should never be any male fucking back in a PT scene, since this causes the 'floating dick syndrome' in PT. At best the viewer can try to imitate the movement but this will never be successful since it's impossible to mimic movement 100% correctly, resulting in immersion breaking. However this still happens in a lot of PT video's And I actually saw a forum user who seemed to like it. So why not make a simple poll on it 'should there be male fucking back in PT or not' and see what the majority likes. This at least is interesting info, right?

                        doublevr I really think much more things could be done to spice up variety even in fixed camera and pov just not in static scene length and cramming in every position every time. That just makes it the same scene with a different girl and a different outfit a lot of the time.

                          harigeharry should never be any male fucking back in a PT scene

                          I hate that bro, I like more hardcore, gets kinda boring if guy just there like dildo, I once suggested cut hands out so dude can smack ass cheeks, but no one wanna try it, 🤷‍♂️

                          But no, I like male models to fuck back, and hands on. And I want the guy to talk, talk dirty to her direct shit for her say...tell me your a Lil cum slut, she proceeds to say it.

                          My preference in vr porn is way different then most. I want more non pov! 👍

                            Hairsational I can see how the male fucking back would be bad

                            Its not bro. We need more fucking back in pt! 👍

                              None of this matters unless you get better, more high profile attractive stars in the scenes

                                doublevr Too me this whole point seems like a cop out and an excuse. At the end of the day what I and many other people are saying isn’t anything impossible or stuff SLR hasn’t already executed in the past. What we mean by variation is different settings/ environments and premises. These examples show this variation..

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                                And to virtually say you’re limited by the same fixed pov angles and positions, why when there are other studios experimenting and getting the camera angles to display piledriver position or front facing spooning. It absolutely can be done and there’s no need to rely on 2D to achieve it or learn from it.

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                                And just mix up the male talent please, not every video has to be John Strong. SLR had variation of male talent in the past some BWC and BBC, what happened?