BMZTV I dont care for flat videos either, but you know you could click on the flat video tag and simply select to hide all flat videos from your feed right?
SLR 2025 plans
I don't see how offering flat porn will bring in new subscribers. 20+ years as an adult and before VR I'd never paid for porn.
Going flat feels like a waste of resources and a distraction from your core product.
Take a look at the feedback rolling in on the comments section of these new videos, less than enthusiastic.
On a positive note, I do appreciate the toggle slider to make filtering easy.
maxsavage many seem enthusiastic about it
https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/9466-flat-studio-suggestions/
maxsavage Just like any innovator, they seem to be going through a contraction phase where a business slowly starts to adopt facets of what it supposedly replaced or evolved from, just like amazon starting to open physical stores or paid streaming content apps now starting to have ads, even on paid plans. It doesnt matter how they try to spin it, it is what it is. Not a fan of it. I would personally prefer if they have to pivot to non-VR porn, that they would focus on acquiring all the years of lost SBS 3D porn that used to be out there, at least that crap was 3D. I can no longer find any reputable subscription site anywhere that still has SBS 3D porn now that VR headsets are able to provide the best viewing experience for general 3D content. There used to be european sites that had huge catalogs of it and even some american sites had some pretty good content like 3DXStar I believe. Where did all that content go?
Hairsational I don't understand, which ones are in "sbs", because I see them flat, without relief?
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My suggestion for SBS flat/stereo AI 3D (or whatever the name is) is to change the default presets in DeoVR. Currently, every video starts with 'force mono projection' activated when played for the first time. On a VR platform, I would expect that the majority of viewers prefers the stereofied view.
doublevr Why has SLR become so lazy with their scenes now. Every video filmed in the same looking house with the same marble floor and ending in the bedroom with armpit close-ups no originality whatsoever where did the creativity of older scenes go?
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maxsavage I don't see how offering flat porn will bring in new subscribers
I don't think it will either.
Nobody that DOESN"T have a VR headset is ever going to pay money for free porn. Never going to happen. Why would you?
So only people that have a VR headset and want to get porn the legal way are going to be able to see it. But why would you take the time to buy a SLR sub and buy a headset then go and watch 2d porn. It is never going to happen.
Just look at the 1 flat video SLR did as a test. It got 50 dislike comments. A couple SLR employee trying to say it is great and every other person disliked it. SLR tested it and thought it was a great success.
I don't think anybody is going to join because if it but as long as I don't see it in the VR feed then out of sight out of mind. Minus the money wasted that should go to what I paid for.
I do see one video in the VR feed today that is 2d. That shouldn't happen or people are going to get pretty mad fast
...for years i've been watching porn on my VR headset. i didn't have a computer or any screens at all in my bedroom, just VR, used it for flatscreen and was very happy. Sometimes i'd catch something on the PC in my man cave living room, but often that was just scoping something for later, actual porn enjoyment time is always in the bedroom. My haptics are set up there, and also it's a lot more comfortable!
So i've recently been getting back into unscripted machines, self bondage, etc, and as there's a lot of constant stuff you need to be doing vis a vee dials, ropes, positions, etc (it's a bit like sailing a ship made of fuck machines, but you're the ocean...) it's easier not to be headseted up. So i put a massive TV and a PC in the bedroom, for science, obviously, to see what difference it would make.
i have noted two main effects. Firstly my experiences were enhanced specifically because i no longer had to keep fucking about with a headset. i hadn't noticed what a niggling distraction it is till i lost it, but there are a lot random adjustments one is always making, micro tweaking it constantly so eyes are correctly placed for perfect vision, repositioning the screen when you reposition your head, peaking under to see stuff, adjusting fit, wtvr, there's actually quite a lot going on subconsciously that years of usage has been masking. Losing the headset felt liberating, and allowed me to concentrate on my self and my practices for the sessions, and as a result it was more immersive than with a headset.
Second, i much preferred the experience of viewing the material through the TV. It was brighter, clearer, and much easier to focus on than with a headset. And thanks to the fact i'd acquired this ridiculously huge 65 inch bastard of a TV and had it a few feet from the bed, though it wasn't quite the 'cinema screen five inches from your face' effect you can get with a headset, it was about as propotionaly large as one generally settles on for comfort. But it was the brightness that got me. So bright and clear, no matter where i moved my head, always bright and clear, perfectly in focus. And that contributed significantly to immersive qualia, everything just fades away except the TV, just me and the porn.... nice.
The advantages of using a headset over a TV are real, you can sit a massive screen in front of you, it moves with you, it's very immersive, it blocks everything else out, etc, but those are also use specific, and i'd argue that in most use cases, a big TV beats 2D on headset, no contest.
Which really surprised me! i LOVE it when an experiment returns a different result from that which you predicted, i really thought i'd be coming down on the side of headsets, but no, all your base belong to TV.
Just so you all don't think i've gone full heresy on this one, when i went back to some good old VR haptic sex, it was amazing. The VR seemed to pop out at me, the immersiveness was perfect because i was getting my POV sexperience, as opposed to flat where even POV there is still just non-POV cos playing as POV. Real POV is only experienced in stereo vision, imo. And i fucking love being in that moment, it's what VR excels at. Or watching some non-POV that appeals to me, i love the dancers, etc, so much fun to actually be in the room with them! xD
So yeah, they're two different beasts, that use your brain differently to give you immersion. i'll still be using the headset for 2D, it's so convenient when i'm using funscripts i'm not bothered about going MFP on the PC. Anyway, i tend to start in POV VR and move over to 2D anyway as the session progresses (so many great scripts out there for 2D) but for sheer viewing enjoyment of 2D, a proper TV wins hands down. And of course there's so much free streaming porn out there, you never need to look far to find something interesting to watch.
Win-win...
rerun119 I don't think it will either.
Nobody that DOESN"T have a VR headset is ever going to pay money for free porn. Never going to happen. Why would you?
So only people that have a VR headset and want to get porn the legal way are going to be able to see it. But why would you take the time to buy a SLR sub and buy a headset then go and watch 2d porn. It is never going to happen.Just look at the 1 flat video SLR did as a test. It got 50 dislike comments. A couple SLR employee trying to say it is great and every other person disliked it. SLR tested it and thought it was a great success.
I don't think anybody is going to join because if it but as long as I don't see it in the VR feed then out of sight out of mind. Minus the money wasted that should go to what I paid for.
I do see one video in the VR feed today that is 2d. That shouldn't happen or people are going to get pretty mad fast
You don't need a VR headset to watch 2D porn on SLR, you can watch 2D and VR porn on a normal PC monitor if you wanted to and it looks fine (no side-by-side)
If they do end up attracting a lot of big and medium 2D studios to SLR then it will be a no brainer for anyone looking to pay for porn to give it a try. You get access to lots of studios for your money, just like a regular SLR VR subscription - that's the big appeal. It just takes time for an honest try at it, all the while everyone is shitting on the idea
The difficult thing is getting new people introduced to VR porn, once they are on the platform for 2D they are 50% of the way to buying a cheap Quest 2 off eBay and then they'll want to try sex toys and it snowballs from there. So I can hardly blame SLR for trying this approach, maybe they do actually want to be a top tier 2D streaming website and any VR convert customers are a bonus
- SLR need to brand it better though, i'm 100% aware of their dive into flat porn but trying to find and differentiate it on the website is a confusing mess
They should just put a tab at the top left that says "2D porn" with a ? mouseover icon that explains it and stop calling it flat. Flat is confusing, especially to people that do not watch VR
And then there is "Flat immersive" - I have no clue what that even is. By nature 2D is not immersive and it's not VR converts, so what is it? Even the comments on the videos are confused by it
- I'm surprised they have not 100% successfully automated 2D porn video tagging and recognition, the metadata should be able to identify it surely, if not then they can identify it via thumbnail posters which all videos have
Either way they are attempting to bring more life into the website so i'm optimistic
jommy I like what you said but I have a couple of questions.
Is there a website already that has a lot of big studios that you can pay money to to get everything all in one place? I don't know of one. I only ever hear of the big free sites or subbing to one site someone likes. If there isn't one already then why is that? If there is one then what will SLR offer over a site that has been around already.
Maybe you will be right or maybe I will be right. I just don't think people looking up 2D porn on a site is going to somehow make people go and buy a VR headset. And I don't think people looking for 2D porn are going to pay for it. Maybe I am wrong.
I think it is about trying to be the biggest porn site in the world. I get it, that is business but not about VR.
If they want to get people into VR porn then they should have like 3 or 4 videos by SLR that are 2 years old be free. Give them 3 Nash masterpieces to watch then they will buy a sub.
I bought a HTC vive headset in 2016 because I had heard of VR porn and wanted to see it. I had to have my brother help me to set it up because i didn't even know how to make it work. So if someone buys a quest for games but porn is easy to try then they will. You just need them to try it.
Forcing the immersive flat videos onto a VR audience by mixing them into the VR feed was the wrong decision. When I want to check out those videos (which I am doing every now and then), I can hardly find them because the are indistinguishable from VR. When I want to watch VR, which is most of the time, I am in for bad surprises. So I have to toggle flat off and over time will probably forget that these videos exist. They should really be in a section of their own, like cams.
Moreover, AI PT is pointless on pretty much all flat. A video image silhouette constantly changing scale and perspective floating around in your room - can't figure out what should be the use case for this.
Its trite and doesn't address any of the business impacts that may roll downhill to the subscribers, but I find it useful occasionally to simply ignore what I don't like:
I tried the Flat Immersion videos last night. I thought it was going to do something other than what HereSphere has been able to do from the beginning.
Am I missing something? The only thing I could do was warp the sides of the video and zoom in and out. I there something else you can do? That is just a 2d video player.
Pornhubpremium and faphouse/xhamsterpremium have many studio videos under one membership but they are less transparent when listing which studios so it feels a bit scammy and badly thought out imo. Faphouse might actually be a token system and i'm unsure about pornhubpremium, they seriously lack transparency!
Some VR websites on the other hand are very clear which studios you have included in a membership and that you can stream all videos without a token system, for example:
https://www.sexlikereal.com/studios
https://povr.com/studios
So it is proof that 2D studios are open to uploading content to a platform, I just don't know what kind of deals or profit-share they have agreed to on 2D so can't say if SLR will have the same kind of success
It might be another case of shitty old outdated porn selling methods by the 2D market, where as VR is exploring new things for the benefit of paying customers
rerun119 I just don't think people looking up 2D porn on a site is going to somehow make people go and buy a VR headset
You have to think that a lot of people are not even exposed to the idea of watching VR porn, they are blissfully unaware and think 2D is the bees knees. If they sign up to SLR or even just browse it (because 2D porn brought them there) then that's a foot in the door to the VR world
rerun119 And I don't think people looking for 2D porn are going to pay for it.
If people didn't pay for 2D porn then it wouldn't exist, it's a business and not a charity. Sure lots of people freeload, but there are enough people paying to make it profitable
If there is an easy way to pay for good quality and quantity, then some people will pay. Just look at Spotify/Apple Music - people gladly pay a monthly fee for access to millions of tracks, it is a whole lot easier than pirating each album
Netflix and other streaming platforms are similar, people are paying for those because it is easy and works - more tech savvy people might not though
I'm no stranger to piracy but even I pay for an SLR membership and Spotify because it makes everything easier and it supports the content production
rerun119 I think it is about trying to be the biggest porn site in the world. I get it, that is business but not about VR.
Yep it could be that reason, if they are the biggest porn site in the world (or one of) then that means deeper pockets to invest in more VR porn
rerun119 If they want to get people into VR porn then they should have like 3 or 4 videos by SLR that are 2 years old be free. Give them 3 Nash masterpieces to watch then they will buy a sub.
There are plenty free VR videos available, here's a few:
https://www.sexlikereal.com/fullvideos/freevrporn
https://www.czechvr.com/free-full-vr-porn-videos-download
https://badoinkvr.com/free-vr-porn
https://povr.com/playlists/free-vr-porn-videos-671499
I bought my headset 99% for porn, I think that anyone that consumes porn regularly and wants something more will not regret the purchase, they just don't know about it enough imo - maybe i'm totally wrong though, who knows!
Jimmyjon66 can't agree. New Originals are actually very fresh. Otherwise you can speak to content team directly https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/1260-slr-originals-suggestions/1008
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many seem enthusiastic about it
https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/9466-flat-studio-suggestions/
doublevr Not sure that making suggestions for a studio/model equates to enthusiasm for flat content. You possess far more data metrics than I, and I'm sure you all know what you are doing. Just expressing the value of the added content from my perspective.