SLR 2025 plans

Silly-Sausage

I'm telling you now this isn't about customers, this is about a businesss transaction that will bring 2D to customers in the hope of expansion - It wlll fail, simple as that and cost silly amounts of money to play these silly games !

I'm just being honest and seen it all before ...

X-Box game pass is starting to fail as i predicted, any subscription service will fail eventually for many reasons that they just don't understand

If you wanna make money just do what has always worked 🙂

doublevr

jommy you good. Come join the team 👍

Kolaches

I'd be more excited for flat if they were transformed with VR a bit. NaughtyAmerica is doing it with some of their older videos, calling them 3D videos, and it looks pretty decent actually.

I was hoping for something like that when I uploaded a bunch of flat vids to SLR Drive but instead it was just the boring video instead

doublevr

Kolaches that's the plan

Vrsumo2017

Kolaches NaughtyAmerica is doing it with some of their older videos, calling them 3D videos, and it looks pretty decent actually.

Where do I get a sample of that?

And 2d turned into vr 3d? Like a spatial video? Any samples of this?

I'm fine with all content, my main choice to fap to is pov vr but if its there I'll watch it, I've checked out the 2d section on slr, some good videos there, not to pleasing to the eye, and some videos seem old 🤷‍♂️ so I rarely go back, but I do, and if more new content starts to pop up I might start checking out 2d more often in vr, bring it all bro, i hope to see amateur porn too! filmed with phones, something about them phone videos 🤦‍♂️😁 lol

I really hope some hottie porn stars start making their own channels here, the same stuff they do on social media they can do here on their own channels, 2d and possibly vr or spatial...and live stream! That'd be cool to see! 😃

Bro, SocialLikeReal lol 🤦‍♂️😁

jommy

I don't understand the hostility towards 2D, they aren't reducing the amount of VR on the platform or the amount being filmed and it can be disabled with a simple toggle 🤷

Not every new feature must be for every single user to make use of, companies would not grow with that kind of single-thought logic

uioz

jommy it's because they do not produce or license enough of what people want already, so it's insult onto injury

Metamucil

jommy I just read through this entire thread and I'm still confused on what impact bringing in 2D will have on new VR content, and I still don't know what "all 2D" means. There is only so much of a budget, so any investment in 2D could have went to more VR. Everyone that is currently a subscriber is here for VR, and the reason I have abandoned all my other VR subscriptions is due to SLR being so progressive with technology that pushes VR immersion (PT AI hidden male, I love you). SLR is like cutting edge of porn and 2D is prehistoric. With the amount of quality free 2D porn, and volume of established competitors I don't think this is a good move for SLR. I understand their logic, I just don't think it is going to pan out. If Heresphere or POVR figure out PT AI they will quickly suck a lot of business away. SLR needs to keep pushing the envelope to stay on top. There are few big VR sites (competitors), and VR Porn is a continuous growing market. Why would a company pull back from staying on the forefront of a growing market by investing in a saturated market? In my HVAC world this would be like the current heat pump market leader deciding it wants to jump into gas boilers.

SLR Drive with PT AI? Fuck ya!
2D Porn? I'm not watching it, and if it affects the VR content and tech progression my eye will wander towards other services that step up.

Someone else said April fools isn't for a few months. After reading the initial post I actually did have to confirm it wasn't a post from April 1st that got necro'd. SLR saying we are going "all 2D"? What?

doublevr

uioz vr content is overproduced to what the market can chew. We can produce more is we want to canabalize the market

uioz

doublevr explain that. how is too much vr porn being made? it's definitely less than 15% of all studio porn made. Maybe even that sounds like a lot but professional porn is constantly decreasing in mainstream appeal so it's 15% of something that will eventually be a niche market.
Besides that flat porn has over a decade headstart (of what is still relevant for people to watch). That's probably why slr has only 35k videos available while there are at least a million high quality flat videos out there. The ability to find videos that are exciting in VR is way lower as a result. So if anything you need more VR videos not less. However, you need more videos of higher quality, with better talent and more diverse (not the same POVerty video 9/10 times). That's what so many people have said on here already.

MickyCheese

Really excited for the Blackmagic cine camera and DeoVr Hyper.

For flat videos I would really like to upload the 2d videos I own to SLR drive and have it converted to VR (using depth map AI?), otherwise I don't think I would watch flat videos in VR.

jommy

There's two things you can think about

How to keep VR users entertained & paying (hire X talent, film X scene, yada yada)
How to convert new VR users (2D videos to get them on the platform and promote VR directly for free)

I think it might come down to needing more customers consuming and paying for VR porn which will then get more producers and talent interested in creating it, more overall diversity

And of course more customers = more $$ to spend on making content

Maybe people aren't thinking of the long-term full-picture, you can't just say "let's put 100% of funds into new VR porn" and then become successful, businesses are a lot more complicated than that! You have to think what will happen in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years down the line and plan accordingly

I don't have the figures or anything so I could be totally wrong but that's the feeling i'm getting

EDIT: And oh yeah, as mentioned just above - that sweet sweet analytical data from 2D viewers is basically a paint-by-numbers of what to film in VR scenes

renstimpy11

@doublevr DeoVr Hyper Release... any ETA at all?

Metamucil

uioz And anyone that owns a phone and or laptop has the ability to watch thousands of hours of free porn streaming to them within 30 seconds of when the dirty thought crosses their mind.

I don't understand how they can claim that VR Porn is a saturated market. You can't even watch VR Porn with decent quality without paying for a subscription.

It seems the theme here is to drive more people to the site to subscribe and that will be good for all of us. Well expecting people to pay for flat porn ain't going to do it. But the free low quality VR is a great way to do it, and you can do that without investing in additional content that would draw funding away from more VR content.

Whoever came up with the free low quality VR porn idea is the one management should be listening to, along with listening to us. You are getting free marketing advice from your target audience.

To anyone applauding this flat porn idea I ask, do you want flat porn at the cost of less VR? Because that is how it will inevitably work.

Flat porn... Fuck it, let's tear this whole thing down and go back to jerking it to Victoria's Secret catalogs like pre internet porn.

zozman92

I didn’t come here for flat content. If this means less budget or focus towards innovation in 3d vr content then I will find another site that still places their priority on 3d vr content.

fuccaneer

I had written up a whole thing trying explain that using the term "saturated" for the VR porn market, then comparing it to flat porn, is disingenuous at best. I'd guess I could watch VR porn for the next 10 years and never repeat a scene. But I could easily watch flat porn for a couple centuries without repeats. Which of those is truly "saturated'?

But I think doubleVR is talking about market share, not content. Saturation is a weird word to use in that context, but he's likely referring to the idea that the slice of uncommitted VR consumers is shrinking and that capturing that shrinking market is becoming much more competitive compared with when SLR started.

I disagree in part. If anything, the market is growing. However, there are a lot more direct competitors for that growing market. I have no idea what the net is on that. But I think the below graph can do a lot to refute the idea that VR is going to be a "challenging" market.

From: https://bedbible.com/vr-porn-industry-statistics/ Updated: May 14, 2024

fuccaneer

Actually, I kind of see it now. The table says more than the graph does, but it looks like the VR Porn industry is projected to slow when expressed as a year-to-year percentage--no longer having the doubling of the past couple years.

A tightening after explosive growth is to be expected though. So reacting to that as a "problem to be solved" is sketchy.

And that third column is a great big "fuck you and byebye" to flat porn.

doublevr

fuccaneer spot on. My major concern is that VR porn production nowhere matches variety, scenarios, casting pool, direction of overwhelming flat porn. We even had to step up and lead production with Originals. It's still not enough. Take away our PT, sex toys and similiar effort - it's like really little evolution was done on production side of things.

Getting a ton on the best quality flat porn on SLR should give us a good idea where we want VR porn production going. We are further boosting our VR Originals production efforts, we just have to know what are the things to do

SchnuppiLilac

fuccaneer But I think the below graph can do a lot to refute the idea that VR is going to be a "challenging" market.

The projections for 2021 to 2026 are as of 2020 as they were published already in 2021.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210822005004/en/Juniper-Research-Global-Revenue-from-Adult-Virtual-Reality-Content-to-Reach-19-Billion-by-2026-as-Subscription-Models-Dominate

No idea where the numbers after 2026 are coming from but this projection is just nuts. VR porn market will double in 2025? And in 2029 will be bigger than the entire porn market was supposed to be in 2024? Does that sound even remotely realistic? I think the VR porn market never grew as much as people were expecting or hoping in 2020. The future of porn happened elsewhere, Onlyfans alone probably being bigger than the entire VR porn market ever will be. AVP and Q3S have not boosted growth in 2024. Some studios seem to have stopped producing lately (RealityLovers, PornCorn), still no major 2D porn players have entered VR. To me all this rather looks like a saturated market than a bright future, and therefore I get why SLR is now trying to go flat and phones and onlyfans.

fuccaneer

Side note: there were some additional interesting facts posted on the above webpage. Shared below:

The Effects on The Brain and Hormones
VR porn is found to increase oxytocin in the saliva of viewers significantly more than normal porno.
VR Porn users are more likely to feel desired, compared to the same porn video in 2D.
VR Porn users are more likely to feel flirted with, compared to the same porn video in 2D.
Overall VR Porn is better at eliciting the illusion of intimate sexual experiences.
VR porn users reported to feel more present during watch time.
VR porn users have been measured to objectively feel more aroused compared to subjects viewing normal porn videos.
VR porn has no effects on female arousal or reported satisfaction, compared to normal 2D videos.

*Given the context, its fairly clear that they are referring to traditional 3D VR porn--not flat porn viewed in VR.

Rustam1990

doublevr we just have to know what are the things to do

From a comment a few months ago:

More build up, more storyline. We want to relate to the actress(es).
More escalation, more sexual tension. Don't want the sex happening within 4 minutes. "Hardcore Stepmom" by SLRO, "Short Story long" by VRPlayful, "Modern Relationship" by SLRO are the model scenes to be replicated and adapted.
We need way more FF+M scenes - very infrequent lately and all the upcoming ones for the next month or so seem to be presumably vanilla FM only which is frustrating. Also, we want more interaction between girls in FF+M scenes, don't want one to be "spectator" watching the other having it.
More 1.5h+ scenes.
More exploration of immersive elements, things unique to VR porn that make it great - face licking, ear licking, lengthy kissing, spit exchange, squirt into camera. Spit exchange is now an occasional thing. Super hot, but can be even more lengthy and frequent like seen in JAV.

Hairsational

doublevr it's like really little evolution was done on production side of things.

That's because directors each converge on one style and then get settled into a rhythm of churning out scenes. They end up producing the same thing on repeat, just with different girls. You see it with every VR studio and not just SLR Originals.

If you want more variety in content then you need to have more variety in directors.

doublevr Getting a ton on the best quality flat porn on SLR should give us a good idea where we want VR porn production going.

I think getting flat porn is a mistake. Nobody is going to come to SLR to watch flat content when there are better sites for that. The best flat content will remain exclusive to the sites that produce it and SLR will end up with generic flat porn that isn't anything special.

Ben80085

doublevr you guys should have made such announcement before people buying yearly and life time subs. Whats the point if the very thing we won't be getting, 3d vr porn is the only reason i invested my money here. No I don't want your flat videos. Disappointed!

rerun119

doublevr Getting a ton on the best quality flat porn on SLR should give us a good idea where we want VR porn production going.

This scares me. Flat porn is not the same thing as VR. This is one of the biggest problems with VR porn. The people making it just keep making flat porn with a VR camera.

WE all on here have tried for years now to tell the directors what WE want and how 2d porn doesn't work for VR.

Kolaches

Vrsumo2017 it's just on their site but called 3d videos. I think you may need a sub upgrade if you still can't view

Lee21

Rustam1990 Emphasis on number 5. Its wild that those things you mentioned are often rarely seen in scenes. Vr had a lot of things that work to its advantage that some studios are either aren't aware of or are just too lazy at times to really capture it.

Things to add..asmr, whispering, deep extended eye contact, face sitting this list goes on

uioz

Rustam1990 #1 just sounds parasocial to me.

xeddin1

Hairsational
It's not necessarily just directors. It is camera and lighting. VR cams / porn are still relatively new. Not to mention there is still ZERO way to actually view in real time what the scene will TRULY look like while filming. You can see the two lenses in realtime, but you cannot actually see how that will look with a headset on. 2D porn you can quite literally see exactly what you are doing and how it will look.

For my last scene we shot 2D promo shots of the entire storyline (every position). It took about a 10th of the time to set up camera and lighting as compared to 3D view. There are many constraints with filming in VR, so 'falling into a rhythm' makes sense for most producers (in my opinion) as the alternative could be costly until better VR support for filming is discovered.

SLR has script and passthrough technology, which to my knowledge no other pornsite (VR or otherwise) has. I watch 2D porn with the headset at times. Imagine your favourite 2D scenes with scripts and passthrough.

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