Lifetime option - future

adinihsan

The lifetime option is getting cheaper every year it seems, currently its at 40% of what it used to be (both on sale) around 3 years ago.

At what point will it be phased out? Obviously its not viable to offer everybody lifetime forever, especially at current price. Is SLR waiting for the next VR breakthrough like a consumer headset from Apple? Or is SLR looking to gain revenue through other means from existing users (i.e. cam tokens/SLR drive etc.)?

The value offered atm seems ridiculous when compared to competition. Others have increased prices throughout the years. Most of them offer around €300 lifetime for a weekly upload (one site of network), if they offer lifetime at all.

Hoping this is a good thing rather than a bad thing, what are your thoughts?

doublevr

adinihsan hard to say. Product growth team is still experimenting. We all are looking for the whole vr industry to grow so we can scale and offer prices comparable with spotify and similar.
There will be new pricing coming in spring with updated policies I'll be posting soon.

2024 shows much more positive dynamics so far compared to 2023.
2025 is going to be a blast in new tech and SLR services

fuccaneer

Smells a bit like a "loss leader" to me. But, at this stage, its likely an effort to build a base of users. Once a user invests in LT, there is a stronger commitment to the platform. Once you have that committed base, there's any number revenue generating services you can test against them.

Let's take the lesson of cable TV for example. It was sold as an ad-free subscription alternative to free broadcast TV. Once people got used to the quality of HBO, ESPN, MTV, etc, they weren't going back to rabbit ears and tinfoil. So then cable TV was free to introduce ads. [Please, no.]
Or Spotify and Youtube, who uses the freemium model to attract a large base of non-paying users with the idea that they can get a huge base of committed users of which a number of them can be converted to paying premium ad-free subscribers. [Please, no]
Also gives them a market for point purchases like individual songs/videos, downloads, etc. [Already there.]
Or Apple who used a different tactic to gather their base of committed users, then used that commitment to the Apple platform to lock them into other Apple offerings (iPod, AirPod, iPad, etc). [SLR Toy.]
Tiered premium membership like credit cards or Amazon TV that grants you access to services not available to "basic" members. [SLR Drive subscription. "Exclusive" videos only available to "Elite Premium" users. Additional subscription for AI multiaxis scripts. etc etc]

doublevr

fuccaneer very good points.
As we are getting into a post market economy or whatever they call it with customers barely buying shit unless it's 150% discounted the price proposition is really weird. I leave it up to guys to play with. We clearly see we are getting users we wouldn't otherwise with our campaigns.
They still will be buying cams, sex toys and drive etc.

It looks like we are creating the whole sector of economy.

I still want to get us someone who would know doing that stuff. Right now it's blind walking in the dark room

adinihsan

fuccaneer you make a lot of good points, but the loss leader seems weird to me. That works for inkprinters for example because they sell the ink for it.

Where does it apply here? Cams you don’t need a sub, pay per stuff you don’t need a sub, discount (commission) for handy you don’t need a sub.

catflap

doublevr I still want to get us someone who would know doing that stuff. Right now it's blind walking in the dark room

what do you mean by this?

doublevr

catflap we badly need more talent in product and product growth teams to boost product and keep scaling economy. seems like a rare kind

fuccaneer

adinihsan
"loss leader" as in "doorbuster"--that is, get you in the door using a significantly reduced price ("loss") in the hope that it will "lead" you to spend money elsewhere -- i.e. cam tokens, buying scripts, subscribing to scripts or Drive, plus all the other examples I listed. Really I meant to just say "build the base"--hence the remainder of the post.

OpeningThng19

I’ve certainly gotten into it. Bought quite a few videos and scripts when I discovered the site a few years ago and kept buying a-la-carte since they were offered that way when I didn’t see others doing so with VR videos. Picked up Lifetime for videos 1-2 years ago and Lifetime for scripts this past year after getting scripts for one year. Still picking up scripts now if there’s something I want and I’m already past my allotment. Tend to stick with downloaded content since I can never get the scripts to sync up via DeoVR the way I want it to. I’ve got 12 TB of content I’ve collected from various studios running off XBVR and Heresphere since I can dial in the script sync precisely even if it takes a few minutes to get it right (-2.8868 for my session last night).

rerun119

OpeningThng19 Dang man you take the decimal points to another level.
(-2.8868 for my session last night).

I can never figure out if I have it correct or not. One stroke will feel like it is perfect and then the next one will feel like it is off.
What is the secret?

OpeningThng19

I always go negative and incrementally change the number till I find that magic sync where things I’m seeing match perfectly with what I’m feeling. Pretty much start with the whole number and compare how things are feeling compared to sight then work my way down. Sometimes it’s easy, and others I could be watching the video for 10 minutes before I’ve finally got it locked in.

rerun119

OpeningThng19 Do you feel like it changes over time? Like it will be perfect for 10 minutes and then it slowly feels like it is getting out of sync.
And how big of a - number do you ever go to. I don't know what -5 actually means. sometimes I'm at like -150
Also if you play a downloaded scene with a downloaded script using Heresphere. Does the script have to go to handy's server and then back to me or does it just go from my PC to the handy. If it is PC to handy then there shouldn't be much of a delay, correct?

fuccaneer

rerun119 Does the script have to go to handy's server and then back to me or does it just go from my PC to the handy

Unless you use a third party tool, local scripts go through Handy's servers to be converted to Handy instructions and transmitted back to your device.
I'm not sure whether or not SLR has implemented something to bypass Handy servers.

OpeningThng19

rerun119 once I’ve got it right it stays in sync even if I switch videos most of the time unless I have to re-sync the handy again. A re-sync within Heresphere only makes it change slightly and doesn’t take much to re-sync again, sometimes it can just take pausing and playing again. Note that I’m using the latest firmware from theHandy. (These are all downloaded scenes and scripts playing locally from my home network, handy just hits the server to retrieve the script but the delay is between my Quest3’s local Heresphere and the source of the data, XBVR running on my local network.)

vrpicasso

There is a massive opportunity in VR cam girls synced to interactive toys that so far no one has tried. Once the teledong and other devices are adopted, so the girl manipulating a dildo has a directly correlated effect on your Handy, cam girls transform from an interesting voyeuristic diversion to full on real-time virtual hooker. Without any of the stigma or risks of in-person prostitution (for either party). This could be a bigger industry than VR porn, because it's always new, it's infinitely more real and intimate and prices can reflect the time of the girl and not just the revenue crumbs that traditional porn provides.

You guys have to jump on this.

doublevr

vrpicasso that's the plan for
https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/9184-ultimate-stroker-coming-soon/

Everything else is there