Blackmagic Ursa Cine 16K

Ventriloquist_Tacos

The ones getting encoded to 4k look terrible though. You need to keep it yo the 8k output and just ensure the final encode is 80mbps or so to ensure smooth playback (downloaded file version).

DannySLR

Ventriloquist_Tacos Hey! We are still testing the camera, I will post an update in a week

gatasplay2017

Just saw on a reddit sub that StripZVR released a scene filmed with Ursa Cine:
https://www.stripzvr.com/natasha-anastasia/baby-go-slow/

I don't have an membership for the site, but tried the free sample on Q3, oh man!! The sample is just 1 minute of the girl far on the room, but the image quality it's just cristal clear! For me a lot of scenes with current gen cameras lack very much with far on scene objects/people, always very blur, but this with Ursa Cine has a very high quality on this point.

I wonder how will be on close parts, saw people commenting that anything 50cm or near from the camera, Cine Ursa struggles on blur/focus.

harigeharry

gatasplay2017 Nice find! Very clean picture indeed, hard to find any noise. Not the best I've seen on the AVP, that would be those 16k vids (which hopefully SLR will feature soon too) but indeed very good.

Picouser

doublevr we are still not sure if we want to release BM footage. Close ups are no go.

Let me share my opinion. Not because I would know something about filming. Because I have watched way too many videos and spend probably years of my time with SLR and I think I am pretty sharp eyed. I think I read BM close up limit is about 50 cm. SLR is full of bad closeups, because they are way too close (maybe 20 cm) and you get cross eyed. It is easier to adjust DeoVR or HereSphere closer than further, because if you get cross eyed you can not fix that. However you can adjust zoom level if you want closer.

So all in all far off (50 cm) is better than way too close (20 cm). I would see this "limit" as opportunity. No bad cross eyed closeups anymore because directors know the limit.

gatasplay2017 Just saw on a reddit sub that StripZVR released a scene filmed with Ursa Cine:
https://www.stripzvr.com/natasha-anastasia/baby-go-slow/

Look at that StripZVR trailer. If it is filmed with BM it looks really sharp and the corner of the blanked on the bed is probably 20 cm away. Much closer than 50 cm and it looks really good. How can you make this as a problem? I dont want to mock anybody but maybe you should ask StripzVR guy how to film correctly.

doublevr

we are still not sure if we want to release BM footage. Close ups are no go.

You can check the samples at https://www.sexlikereal.com/studios/slr-labs?sort=most_recent

Potentially we can make it native MV-HEVC streaming on AVP

fenderwq

doublevr rtx5000 gpu's supports MV-HEVC too. Curious, why would MV-HEVC be fine if AV1 is not?

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr we are still not sure if we want to release BM footage. Close ups are no go.

Same for me: I am old and need reading glasses for sharp close-ups. I hear there are reading glasses for cameras (diopters) to shorten the focus distance. Is this an option?

phiber

fenderwq Pretty sure he's just saying that IF they end up using the footage (independent decision just based on if they can work out close up problems), then one way to make it workable for Apple Vision Pro (which does not have AV1 hardware support, but is probably the VR headset that would benefit the most from high resolution footage) would be to stream MV-HEVC, which the AVP does have hardware support for

doublevr

SchnuppiLilac the camera is made by people who never filmed POV. it's just bad.
I'm surprised how much more professional are adult VR producers compared to the rest

harigeharry

doublevr So that sounds like this cam is pretty much worthless for porn? That's a huge bummer.

fenderwq

doublevr wow that sucks. What did black magic support say?

doublevr

harigeharry unless we want to do a merge canon for that part. Still figuring

boboweb

harigeharry It seems my worst fears about this camera have been confirmed...how stupid of Blackmagic not to foresee the problem with the close focus... or maybe they did it on purpose paid by Apple ... Anyway what an epic waste for VR porn ...

gatasplay2017

doublevr Yeah, I was thinking about that, do you think that is viable to use both Ursa Cine + Canon on some scene?

harigeharry

doublevr Well IMHO it would then just become a gimmick. I mean I don't even bother about the intro part of a scene, I always skip directly to the action. Adding an extra camera to the setup, just for that intro part, I don't know to me it feels more like trying hard to find at least some use case for this camera while in fact, if it can't do POV, better keep things simple and just not use it at all, sell the cam and wait till something better comes along. Just my 2 cents

Adrianvr

fenderwq Initially, their plan was to customize the camera for specific production needs, seal it, and then ship it. However, when we reached out to their support team, they said they had abandoned that idea and are now producing the cameras as is.

Adrianvr

Our production and post-production teams are still working to find the best possible solution. In the meantime, new scenes processed with our most advanced workflow are coming, offering the highest image quality yet, please enjoy them. We’ll also soon be testing new professional cinematic VR cameras, as our team continues to explore innovative ways to deliver top-quality experiences to our viewers.

dolphin7559

Adrianvr Pease no repeat of the Canon debacle 🙏

SchnuppiLilac

Picouser I would see this "limit" as opportunity.

I have watched the StripzVR trailer, and I agree that what is close to the viewer didn't look too bad. On the other hand, there was not much to look at in that trailer.

From the SLR test footage, it didn't look like avoiding the super close cross-eyed distance alone will do the trick. If the closest a face can get is 0.5 m, not close enough.

Picouser

SchnuppiLilac From the SLR test footage, it didn't look like avoiding the super close cross-eyed distance alone will do the trick. If the closest a face can get is 0.5 m, not close enough.

If you mean this test footage: https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/bmd-test-02-denoised-65288 (download and use HereSphere, 190 fisheye and aspect ratio 2.3 ) girl faces looks blurry when too close. I think It does not matter for kissing if done properly. SLR videos lack of kissing and intimacy nowadays anyway so we dont lose anything 🙁 I still think BM might be better, but we need proper testing and samples.

For Japanese videos I would not recommend it (more intimacy with kissing etc). Those are my favourite and you could improve them simply by better resolution. Pretty much everything is still 4K instead of 8K. Lots to improve in that area.

Please say you do not like these better? These are examples of too close and cross eyed samples. We do not want these either. Closer is rarely better if you do not know when and how to use it.
https://old.sexlikereal.com/scenes/lucky-girl-66326?t=1016
https://old.sexlikereal.com/scenes/lucky-girl-66326?t=2100

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