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petermc

Just curious what the compliance level is. Can there be no alcohol in the frame? No consumption? Or is it only if the character in the story is clearly supposed to be drunk and therefore unable to fully consent?

Sooooo..... this is not an easy question to answer, I think at some point I'm going to write a detailed blog post or make a podcast about how we make these decisions. @ApolloSLR Want to become a podcaster with me?

Here is a completely theoretical example. Completely. Theoretical.

Imagine the childhood game of telephone. At one end of the chain you have law makers and the card networks, at the other end there is us. Someone with legislative or regulatory power will make a rule, for example "you must not host material depicting non-consensual behaviour."

That rule will get amended and expanded further down the chain, the next "whisper" might be "you must not show any material where people have reduced or no capacity to consent." As different banks, acquirers and payment processors get involved in the chain the rules evolve and are interpreted differently. "You must not show people who are drunk." "You must not show people drinking." "You must not show alcohol." "You must not show a can of liquid which someone squinting might mistake for a can of beer."

To make things even more fun, the people interpreting and setting the rules don't necessarily show their working, or explain why they have come to a particular decision.

We try to be more open here. The general rules we follow are in this thread

In the case of this specific video it was caught in the initial compliance sweep for containing alcohol. The characters portrayed do not appear to be intoxicated or lack the capacity to consent so I have reactivated it for now.

Restrictions in this area are getting tighter though. Maybe send your bank a copy of this article.

      Polar thanks Polar, seems like a common sense decision as the people in the scene are not acting drunk in any way. I can understand the alcohol v consent issue where characters are shown to be drunk but am not sure why porn is held to a higher standard than other media on this and other issues.

      Game Of Thrones (the biggest tv show of all time) and other shows can show blood relations having sex, having children even, but porn can only have step relations have sex and have to constantly reinforce that step relationship throughout.

      Tarantino can make critically acclaimed movies throwing the n-word around (Django Unchained as an example) but, in porn, it’s absolutely frowned upon if raceplay is included in a scene.

      Not saying either of these things are right or wrong. It’s just a weird double standard and even weirder that it’s the much maligned porn, seen as seedy and perverted, that has to be more responsible than mainstream entertainment that is seen as respectable and is watched by the masses.

      Characters in movies and tv shows, comedies even, can get drunk and have sex, then wake up in the morning full of regret having not remembered the night before. Porn is literally pulling scenes where alcohol is in the frame just in case it is surmised that someone might have had a drink!

      I know this isn’t your fault though, you’re just trying to stay within the rules.

        justsomedude101 What was the problem with this scene? There is no alcohol. Is it because the person spies on the sister? Or because they threaten to tell Mom if they don't bang them? Because that's like all of VirtualTaboo, and they seem to be able to take credit cards.

        Referring to VRBangers Duplicity, in case that isn't clear.

            justsomedude101 So, is it possible to reactivate? As I mentioned, "blackmail" is like 90% of Virtual Taboo's catalog, and they seem to get along with the banks just fine. What is different here?

            Not trying to pick a fight, just legit curious where the difference is.

                withy No, I hear you. @Polar might be able to clarify.

                I'm not familiar with the scene myself and am uninvolved with the Compliance review process, so I just don't have a lot of info other than being able to pull scene logs.

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                    Was there an issue with the latest vid from RealJamVR, "Anal Training for Three Bitches"? I see a notification for the release, but it's a dead link.

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                      anordr Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

                      ...we're working on fixing this, and thanks for pointing it out 👍️

                          justsomedude101

                          I think they do like consent in the videos so, if it’s straight up blackmail, they probably won’t allow it as it’s consent under duress. So “if you don’t blow me, I’m telling your boyfriend you cheated” would probably not be allowed. However, if the girl instigates it, “please don’t tell my boyfriend, I’ll do anything” and offers sex, then they probably would allow it as she has consented by making the offer.

                          I know a ton of porn, especially taboo stepfamily stuff, relies on blackmail a lot but the trick is to make the girl suggest sex to avoid whatever consequences you’re threatening instead of you forcing her into sex to avoid those consequences.

                              g2kbuffetboy Nope, you're good.

                              Don't quote me on this, but I believe we're working longer-term on some re-edits of a few select scenes, but in this case these ones were put up in error and were taken down shortly after.

                                petermc You're not wrong. There's definitely a lot more to it than just a "yes/no" checkbox when it comes to pretty much anything compliance-related, but those are all decisions well over my pay-grade 😅

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