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  • Compilations Completely Hidden in Sandbox

I think this is a supply and demand issue, in fact I know it is.
For example:
Kendra Sunderland - 15 compilations to her 2 SLR scenes.
Lily Lou - 63 compilations for her 3 scenes on SLR.
Karma Rx - 23 compilations for her 2 scenes on SLR

So I don't know if compilations need to be promoted - they are abundantly there. No one is going "man if only I could find some compilations"

The problem is that for every scene on SLR there at least 10x that many compilations. There is too much supply.
Compilations are great, I love the hell out of them. Your problem is not with SLR or not being promoted enough or being hidden. The problem is that by the time you release a compilation, at least 10 others have as well, so your real problem is competition.

    xeddin1 If the compilations were not wanted by the public, they stopped viewing. But they worked very well, at least in my studio. The examples given by you are ok, only that most of them made compilations from the SLR studio because it is the best known. But there are other studios that you can choose to compile their clips.

    The idea is that after this decision, only a few studios will be left to make compilations because it is no longer profitable. you invest a lot of time and the results are very poor.

        epicvr the problem is that most of compilations are gaming the system by spamming the feed. That's what we want to fix. Right now we are manually separating linear cuts from Mutiny/VRHYTHM style.

        Also compilayions toggle will remove these from pornstars as well. It's super annoying indeed to see 16 compilations for 2 videos

            Hairsational Customers also want compilations of +30 creampies or +30 of their favorite models making out with cum in their mouths, which is why such compilations went above 1'000 Favorites rather quickly. Anti-compilation users can hide all compilations with one button. Personally I am acquiring a VR camera and equipment to hopefully produce original content and this was a way to get the foot in the door.

            @xeddin1 Yes, too many compilation studios were onboarded too quickly and without much vetting. The results are unsurprising. I took three weeks to make my first compilation and then another month for my second. The first one is now ranked number 5 in Top compilations of last year. With soon to be 3K Favs it clearly has value and is something customers want.

            In fact, at this point, absolutely hide all linear compilations in sandbox and let's get rid of those compilators who are not willing to put in the effort. Thanks.

              doublevr
              I assume by filter out linear cuts, that this does not apply to original creators. For example, if SwallowBay wanted to post compilations of their original content (as linear cuts) they would get a straight pass through with no resistance.

              We have been talking a lot about the visual effect of spam, but what if we switched gears to a negative effect I feel to be more pressing. The server backlog on uploading content and employee time spent doing quality checks.
              Currently, I imagine this is what the process is
              1) Each compilation must be reviewed to make sure it complies with everything.
              2) Each compilation must also go through the transcoder queue.
              3) Most earn about $5 (if we are to take as fact what was mentioned in this post previously)

              I assume there is data on all three of these points (employee time spent reviewing compilations, backlog of non-compilation videos getting through as they wait for the many compilations to finish transcoding, money actually being earned on newer compilations).

              I think it could be damaging to move to a system where creators essentially get told "no, you cannot make a compilation". The process of becoming a legal entity and just going through the process to actually post a compilation on SLR can take a lot of time and dedication. I think a more hand-in-hand approach could go a long ways with SLR and compilation creators, instead of a blunt axe.

              Something should be done. But it should be vocal, and clear. What are the issues, how do we address it, how can we all do better to find something that works.

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              My suggestion, is a page on the forums specially for compilation creators and SLR and / or a channel in the discord.
              This can keep the forums as a place for the general subscriber to discuss things they want to see / tech issues / whatever...while at the same time it will create a section for more business oriented discussion for the creators to collaborate with SLR (I.E., better relations, higher growth, higher quality)

                  6 days later

                  In my humble opinion, let’s break it down as fairy tale. SLR is an innovative powerhouse. One of its bold moves was the compilation feature, a bit of a trial-and-error experiment, but it made SLR stand out from the competition.

                  Then came the quality issues: too many low-quality compilations flooded in, turning the platform into a visual spamfest. The ideal response? More innovation! Think: a dedicated compilation section, filters, or even the ability to jump straight from a compilation to the original source (they already have the data for that!).

                  But innovation costs money, and the compilation feature didn't make the cut for priority funding. Instead, they went for a quick-and-dirty fix by dumping most compilations into a sandbox. Unfortunately, that move clashed with SLR’s inner identity of innovation.

                  As you can imagine, compilation creators weren’t thrilled, they're now venting in forums instead of focusing on producing better content. It's like SLR shot itself in the foot. Meanwhile, the market is shifting toward shorter, snappier content (similiar to TikTok, see also SLR shorts that flopped), and the beast of compilation creativity is already running wild.

                  The question is: Will SLR stay ahead, pioneering the next wave of innovation? Or will they be stuck playing catch-up? Only time will tell. Hopefully, the sandbox was just another one of those trial-and-error moves, and an innovative solution is on the horizon.

                  I absolutely love VR PMV above all else.I enjoy every single videos by Mutiny and was so disappointed when it stops making videos.So it is a pleasant surprise to see VRHYTHM's videos start appearing.I would love to see more videos like these.I do watch the other compilation videos only if they feature the models I like.

                    mgbgt35
                    Best PMV in existence (in my opinion) coming out this week, [VR PMV] Trippin' in Candyland. Though...moderators tend to have difficulty figuring out how to moderate most of my work which can cause delays(8 SwallowBay compilations with over 6+ hours of exclusive content been on hold for a week because of 10 seconds of extra logos in 50 minute long compilations). Should be this week though...hopefully...

                      Missing the nuance in this discussion a bit. Binary all or nothing thinking, putting everything in one or the other box, is indeed great for developers writing code but when it comes to creative content there should be more of a range, from my experience. Personally would've wished for a headsup considering the term partnership. Ultimately probably a good thing some studios won't proceed with their efficiency fueled automation. Hoping the timestamps are going to be out as mentioned several times considering a good native PMV may very well have over 100 cuts.

                        double_bubble
                        There are tools for both Final Cut Pro and Adobe Premiere pro that essentially make the time coding process a non-existent issue. [VR PMV] Greed had around 1000 cuts, timecodes took about 5 minutes to make.

                        (No timecodes would be better of course, but there are tools at your disposal to significantly reduce the time investment)

                          7 days later

                          Still think it's a mistake to just get rid of "linear" compilations instead of finding a more sensible solution. While it would be fair in that case to count for all studios, e.g. VRedging could and should push back against being able to remix their own scenes. They also publish these compilations on other VR platforms and once again, thousands of paying customers favorize them, which is why they have value. Far reaching consequences for all or nothing decisions.

                          Personally, it still feels like I am being punished for the mistakes of others and I would know next to nothing about the why behind it if I hadn't started this thread. Moderating with the ban hammer in such a black and white manner is quite hubristic in nature. While I am working on a PMV, I fear that I must be cautious about my time investment since it seems like an SLR habit at this point to just quarantine things into the sandbox willy nilly. How long until "cool" PMVs get the same treatment when they become more saturated.

                          There is great potential here and I hope the moderators do come up with a positive win-win-win solution (that's paying customers-SLR-studios).

                          Thank you @xeddin1 for the tip. I've watched one or two of your PMVs and they are quite something. I'm not sure it's everyone's cup of tea. I for example don't necessarily like music in my porn but alas.

                            double_bubble I totally agree with you. As a studio that makes linear compilations, I support everything you said above.
                            We work too much and the earnings are extremely small. Plus we get comments from members who are amazed that our compilations are in the sandbox and that's not where they belong. I would like to find a solution so that everyone wins.

                              I totally understand why SLR has decided to move compilation videos to the sandbox section. With many newer studios spamming generic, low-quality content, it’s becoming harder to distinguish genuinely creative compilations from mass-produced videos. Now that SLR has established a preference for PMV compilations, some studios are spamming the platform with short PMVs, which I believe will overshadow and diminish the efforts of creators producing longer and more creative content.

                              I hoped that SLR’s decision would encourage compilation creators to put more thought into their work instead of simply copying and pasting clips and spamming them on the platform, ultimately harming the quality for other creators.

                              I agree that we are lacking an official statement about this situation, as many of us were unaware of the decisions until this post.

                              Personally, I’m a big fan of linear compilations, as I think they help maintain immersion in the videos. However, I understand why SLR might view this type of compilation as “low-effort” or generic content. That said, I hope SLR will continue to allow some creators to make linear compilations, especially those who have demonstrated creativity and gained popularity.

                              Finally, please stop spamming compilations. In my opinion, this remains the biggest issue and is detracting from the platform’s overall quality.

                                Achunden It's true. I can only speak for myself. I haven't published in the last 30 days using my free time to look into PMV editing but there you go. If PMVs are already being spammed I'm going to be grouped up with the rest again sooner or later. I took two months for my first two compilations and they did very well. They did very well for a reason. In fact they did better than 10-20 spam compilations together. The quality approach gets underestimated by the newer studios. As I had suggested above publications could be limited to one per week or even less but we're lacking decisiveness.

                                I tried to make objective arguments which were often undermined here by whining about not being paid, which objectively nobody cares about. My last compilation was put in the sandbox and has gratefully earned me over 140 USD already, which is not bad (not good enough for me to spend 3 days on and hope for the best for, though). It's not bad because paying SLR customers want to see what I focus on in my compilations.

                                There are those that formulaicly make "all cowgirl" "all this" "all that" slapping together at minimum effort. Even worse there are those that had actual AI melons in their thumbnail and blasted 2-3 such 20-30 mins videos onto the platform. What is quite upsetting is to put me in the same category as these studios and hit me with either or. I can respect that PMVs are cool but I saw splitscreen compilations and I couldn't believe it. That's supposed to be harder work than I spent on my content? I think not.

                                Hairsational I agree. Let's limit uploads and they'll either get around to making quality or they'll stop entirely.

                                      double_bubble
                                      I find it very interesting but also very gross that you believe your compilations are so great that you feel you have the right to publicly insult your fellow creators work. You insult their artwork and you insult their attempts to try something new. What is your studio name? I would very much like to see the studio that seemingly is creating content above everyone else’s.

                                          xeddin1 It was not intended against you. I didn't mean to insult you at all as I have said your PMVs are quite something and obviously have lots of effort behind them. I am certainly not above all co-creators but I maintain that the compilations published leading up to the decision end of August to put everything in the sandbox were low effort and I do think a splitscreen of otherwise linear videos is a technical achievement but doesn't necessarily need more work than a normal linear compilation. That was my point there. I was probably being unfair and I agree that I must've been too judgmental in my post given the situation and my feelings around it above. I apologize.

                                            2 months later

                                            epicvr

                                            You should be happy to make anything.. it's not your content.

                                            I just noticed you're a compilation studio. I thought you had original content, because some videos weren't compliations, but shorter versions of already existing full videos. Now I'm confused and have to figure out whether I have the original videos or not. I see your videos are leaving a different site.

                                            I see your Miley Sin video "Ass Massage Anal Fuck" is just a shorter version of EuroTeenVR's "Massage From Head To Toe"... your Miley Sin video "Fitness Workout; The Trainer's Touch" is just a shorter version of EuroTeenVR's "Gym And Cum"... your Miley Sin video "Casting Room Secrets" is just a shorter version of EuroTeenVR's "Pornstar Casting Interview".

                                            What's the point of making shorter versions of videos and just cutting out content?

                                            At least now I can easily clear up some space knowing these are duplicates with less content