Remove VR cams

netcat

@doublevr
I don't agree that this content is predatory or that it abuses users. It comes down to individual responsibility and trusting consumers to make the decisions that are right for them. I don't think that's a good argument to make for removing cams.
The concerns on ROI and quality are legitimate though.

On a conceptual level, it makes sense for the SLR platform to invest in an ecosystem that enables individual creators. Cam content is a way to build that. In a perfect world, it would in time result in a rich ecosystem of user-created content as you see with platforms like twitch, without the burden of having to produce this content professionally.
I think this may be achievable.

However in practice, cam content is not very good today. The video is quality is grainier, and most of the time the model just sits there waiting for tips to do something. I don't really have much interest in this. Even if the quality was better, I would still not be interested interested in privates. I don't think the experience I would get would be worth it - it's just not immersive enough yet. To add to that, I also don't like paying tips.

So now for the big question. What would it take to make it workable? I don't have a perfect answer, but a few thoughts to start.

Quality. Getting video quality of the streams closer to professional video. Even if it was on par with JP 4K content it may be sufficient.
Haptics. Control my toy is a start, but to actually make this viable, it needs to go a lot further. Aim for PoV cam capabilities, where control-my-toy works with haptics on both sides, making CG and M positions viable.
Monetization. Relying purely on tips for revenue here will turn off a lot of people.

netcat

The feedback from a lot of folks on the cam topic has been 'it's just not their thing'. But the interesting question to pose to the community and get feedback on... What would it take for it to become your thing? What changes would you want to be made to the cams feature-set to make it so you would actually want to use this?

SchnuppiLilac

sletje Not once in 5 years have i spent time watching cam girls. Waste of resources

What resources do you think are being wasted? I think neither you or I have any way of knowing whether tapping into those third-party cam feeds is profitable for SLR or not, but it seems unlikely that a loss-making feature is kept for so many years. So probably those cams (and the people spending money on them) are not taking anything away from you but are rather sponsoring the content you are here for.

thatoculusdude

You mad that other people do whatever the fuck they want with their time and money? What the hell, man...

adinihsan

thatoculusdude I'm not mad about it? I'm sad about it.

Thread below was the inspiration for this thread. I think it shows the desperation of the cams clientele:
https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/8001-someone-else-tying-as-me-to-cam-girls

I made this to see the general opinion on cams, so thanks all for sharing your side.

chanser

some of the cam models are fantastic. I'd like to see slr commission some amateur content from them. They could easily produce solo and non pov scenes. I would go for that. it seems like a low cost way to boost content and get fresh faces in.

FirmBark

chanser Hyper productive comment! Yeah if something like that happened for the few who would beta test such a program that could really add more long-term content and possibly be a transitioning bridge to bringing content that isn't just a temporary cam video and instead a lasting video others could keep for longer... heck also add the ability to buy a particularly well liked Cam session for future use.

Hairsational

adinihsan I think the description is mostly virtue signaling with little to no actual substance behind it (beyond what can be attributed to pressure from payment processors).

The porn industry is built on exploitation and the companies in the industry are incentivized by profit much more than any genuine care about the wellbeing of performers or customers. They only care to the extent that they are able to continue to operate.

I think as a customer you need to draw your own line for what is acceptable and what is not and vote with your wallet. Not much can be done to stop simps from handing over their life savings to girls and their pimps.

InfiniteFun

...endorphins are addictive and porn is an industry built on that fact, welcome to the machine, where have you been...?

adinihsan

InfiniteFun I like porn as do most men. There are different ways to do it though.

SLR is like a 5 star restaurant, cams is like adding a McD on their premises.

InfiniteFun

...nah, SLR is like a massive food hall with five-star restaurants and MacDonalds, and a variety of other eateries. They even run their own dinner. So in that regard, cams are just more variety.

You're completely right about the addictive combination of the tipping culture and sex work. Before we had cam girls, men would go down strip clubs, and blow every penny they had on some girl they'd fallen in love with, and they'd always be back, night after night. Sex meets late stage capitalism, throw in the pervasive reach of social media, and now you're literally strip mining entire demographics for cash, and making a lot of men poor. Seen it happen to a friend of mine.

But it makes bank. It makes more bank in porn than anything else, so yeah, it ain't going anywhere. May as well pull up a chair, i have plenty of popcorn...

jommy

OP you are weird, if you can't handle a FREE CAM SECTION then put your VR headset back in the box because you aren't mature enough to use it

No one is forced to pay cammers, no one is even forced to view them

Trying to compare paying cammers vs gambling is some weird mental gymnastics

adinihsan I personally know a mentor of mentally deficient kids and adults, who tells me they often spend their whole allowances on these types of things.

Not even relevant, may as well talk about how the ocean has salt in it or that birds have wings 🤷

adinihsan

jommy Trying to compare paying cammers vs gambling is some weird mental gymnastics

I never did that though?

jommy Not even relevant

This is called an opinion. What I gave is an anecdote, funny how that works.

Perhaps you're right. I maybe should have advocated for a far better monetization system instead. But as it is currently, I think it hurts SLRs image. I'm sorry if I come across as crude, I don't mean to. Do you truely believe the system is not predatory?

I wanted to see public opinion on this, obviously it means nothing to SLR so not sure why people are so riled up about it. Saying I can't criticize something because its legal is just... nonsense. This is how companies win. When people stop pointing out horrible business practices. Again gaming is a good example:

-pre orders
-silly editions up to 130 bucks
-cough star citizen
-the list goes on and on, this goes for many industries

Yes, all of it is fully legal, and there are many 'happy' customers/simps. But calling out companies on their total BS business practices is the only way to start change.

sanjixxx

Man is on a porn site talking about ethics and high roads.
I personally checked the cams once just to see whats going on and decided it wasn't really my thing. After that I don't even notice it anymore. Here is my 2 cents tho, if its a feature they want to present and other users enjoy it, why get in the way of that? People ruin themselves in plenty of other things, kids and gacha games, adults and online casinos, etc. It is really weird to get in the way of someone else's "fun" when it is completely legal. Imagine if another group of people campaigned against vr porn specifically? And they call vr porn users, us, "sad lonely dudes"
OP has some serious issues. Calling the cam patrons "lonely whales" and the whole system as predatory. Seriously get off your high horse. You are on a porn site jesus muhammad christ.

sanjixxx

Lemme just point out that a majority of people still sees porn and the whole porn industry as predatory. Maybe we should all just stop and go back to wanking via imagination?

vrpicasso

AFAIK Dreamcam runs the VR cam service and the same feeds are on other sites like VR Bangers and Badoink - SLR is probably not diverting any resources at all to this, quite the opposite, it would be additional revenue if they're a Dreamcam partner. Removing this feature does not help SLR, the users or the girls. Camming is one of the safest avenues of sex work - take that away and the girls may have no other options than to have actual sex for money instead of just pretending and providing entertainment. Not sure who you think you're helping here, while still advocating for porn which is infinitely more destructive than camming.

adinihsan

vrpicasso Clearly I am worried for the user, this has already financially ruined people and its only increasing. This puts them into emergency life threatening situations. Unlike gambling there are no protective measures in place to prevent or slow down users from ruining themselves. And unlike gambling there is nothing to win back.

Not sure what world you live in where sex work is the only career avenue for women, but for nearly all countries this is completely false. In what way is porn infinitely more destructive than camming, or are you purely talking from the models perspective? I think financial despair is by far the most destructive to someones immediate livelihood.

vrpicasso

adinihsan Ah, right. I don't want to live in a world where anything even mildly or potentially addictive is prohibited, protecting a handful of people from self-destructive tendencies at the expense of the fulfilment of the many. At a certain point you need to take responsibility for your own life. Porn itself is also addictive. I would support any company offering help or a hotline to help users (or models) who need guidance, but apart from that I advocate for personal choice and responsibility in most things.

adinihsan

vrpicasso I never said it should be prohibited.. I said its a terrible service which prays on the weak and imo looks bad for SLR with the current system. Let other companies focus on that scummy stuff while you continue growing the OG platform. Gambling isn't prohibited either, but there are protective measures in place in civilized countries.

Yes, they are at fault for falling for it. That doesn't make the business practice ethical. You're enticed to spend huge sums in a short time frame, with nothing to gain. I'm surprised people are getting so upset about me simply calling it as it is, and bringing up illegal/prohibition/abolishment when that was never implied.

jommy

adinihsan I said its a terrible service which prays on the weak and imo looks bad for SLR with the current system. Let other companies focus on that scummy stuff while you continue growing the OG platform.

It isn't predatory at all

It's completely optional to view, completely optional to make an account, completely optional to buy tokens, completely optional to pay models

If someone lacks the will power or mental fortitude to say no then they will lose their money elsewhere regardless, so it's a meaningless argument

If you want some kind of protection then write to your local government representative

Having VR cams makes SLR more appealing, people are here for VR porn. Having the option to view live VR porn streams is icing on the cake, even more so when they can fulfil your fantasies right there and then

adinihsan

jommy everything in life is optional. Do you truely believe a business can do no wrong as long as its not a literal crime? Alright... interesting. If you truely feel like you're getting value for your money that's great, go enjoy it I guess.

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