The video-quality and technical/positioning in the PT-production varies wildly. I remember seeing mr. Nash casually make the incredible statement in a thread that he did not watch all the films he produced (!) and it feels like this is the case with a lot of the content in general and in PT the attention to details and consistency is even more important than in regular VR.

The lining up is alpha and omega and if the producers spent 30-60 mins actually skimming through the films with a headset on I cannot fathom how they don't see what the problem(s) are?

With Simsen they usually nailed the crisp and clear image and produced 10/10 movies like "I'm Crazy About You", and then the next one would be gigantic or mini scale, cock way off in the distance or all lying position.

The inconcistency is a bit baffling.

    Hey everyone.
    We use same set up as before for PT scenes, both on production and post production.
    Production films on same camera
    Post production is done same as before
    We are researching the issue with image quality and will update you on the results.

      harigeharry I thought Simsense quality was good but the camera angles were all over the place and the guy he used most of the time didnt suit me.

        There is also the casting issue. Lots of old Euro models that we've seen 100 times before. Did you book them because they have the most likes on their profiles? It would be wrong to assume that just because a model has more likes over 5+ years in the business and maybe 100 scenes that their new videos will outperform a hot new star who hasn't built up the same social following. More likes on a profile does not mean more in demand. The casting is even more tired than CzechVR, who at least introduce new talent on occasion.

          vrpicasso Euro PT is never going to be very good unless all you want is a non talking girl to just walk into your room.
          It's not anybody's fault but the language barrier is a big wall to overcome. With PT you don't have anything to help with the plot. It's just a girl and that is it unless you want extra stuff floating around the room.

              Hairsational EU girls that dont talk isnt necessarily a bad thing

              It can be just as bad when the directors instigate them to replace the big dick talk with contorted facial expressions that make them look as if they were walking barefoot over a bed of hot embers or giving birth.

                Great performers + hot talent transcends language. I just don't want to see only the tired 2019 era Euro stars. What a waste of potential when there are so many hot new chicks available - more than even in the USA I'd say, thanks to OF taking all the talent. Not one interesting Euro PT booking yet. The USA PT bookings were generally top fucking tier.

                  a month later

                  Manny_S Hi Manny, looking for any updates as I haven't noticed any improvements. We're not alone here. I don't think any other studio offering AR passthrough has come close to the quality of SimsenseMedia. They just had that secret sauce which made for amazing immersion. Appreciate your efforts.

                      tmynx moving sliders too much eventually makes the whole image disproportionate and not correct.

                      I've always suggested using the + and - it's usually one or 3 clicks to right or left to resize the image.

                      But yeah, I wish scale was on point every time.

                        Sorry but this is getting really frustrating, if anything the quality seems to be going down and down. The Lia Lin one for example, the scale/aspect ratio is super wrong sometimes feels like you have a super mini doll on your lap, not sure what's going on here !?!?! Don't they check those video's before posting?

                          n0den I don't think they test their PT videos

                          You would think they would, these vr cams can live stream to the headset, I'd love to be guy in the background giving the thumbs 👍 when the image looks on point.

                          How's look in there

                          It's good 👍 🎬

                            I feel like @Manny_S is one of us. I'm pretty sure he watched VR on a regular basis before starting to work for SLR.
                            So i seems like he knows what looks correct and what doesn't.
                            Maybe there are a lot of factors that we just don't know about. If he is on set helping with the directing then it must be harder than we can imagine.
                            Manny can you give us examples of what makes it so tricky that we don't understand?

                              rerun119 Oh I don't doubt it's difficult. And pretty much nobody else is doing it, so nobody to learn from. But man it just feels frustrating for somebody like me who bought a lifetime here. One of the main reasons, probably THE main reason I was happy here lately was because of those awesome PT quality video's that Simsense made. Then he leaves to another site and is being replaced by someone who still has to learn it and is nowhere near that quality. Can't help but think, if they do that to the other succesful directors too, everybody with lifetime gets seriously screwed. Of course, such risks comes with buying lifetime, but man, still, it sucks ...

                              Of course I'm rooting now for @Manny_S to learn and improve but the conclusion that things have only gotten worse in those 4 months, isn't very promising. I mean, 4 months now of poorly short PT video's, no improvements, if anything, it even seems to be getting worse ... at what point should management conclude it's just not going to work?

                                  harigeharry Total guess here but I wonder if Simsense was hired by SLR to make a few PT videos as exclusives, so made the investment in a proper greenscreen studio. However the contract allowed him to still create content for other studios (reasonable, given his equipment and studio outlay). Notice he often used the same models as the SLR shoots on VR Porn? So did he book them for the day with SLR's budget then squeeze in a second shoot and sell it to VR Porn? So essentially SLR's initial investment in the PT shoots and all the tech behind it, really the whole concept, just got handed to their main competitor using the same models. It's like when those factories in China fulfil orders for an exciting new product and then make an identical product which they sell themselves and put their original client out of business. I don't know if this is how it went down, but SLR lost the best guy in the business as well as the only American PT studio with access to American talent. I do wonder if anger prevailed over business sense here, or if I have the situation entirely wrong, but end of the day SLR is not winning in this genre they apparently created.

                                    TechnoT5 TechnoT5 harigeharry harigeharry rerun119
                                    Hey everyone. Time for promised update
                                    I constantly listen to all the feedback even if im not very active here and i always think how we can improve things.
                                    Short story:

                                    • We increased bitrate of the scenes to ensure higher image quality
                                      that should preserve more details
                                    • We added more sharpness (almost maximum of whats possible without oversharpening)
                                      that should improve sharpness of the image
                                    • We refined PT color correction
                                      that should bring better experience and better immersion
                                    • We fixed the halo around the model by shrinking down the alpha mask.
                                      that will help to get rid of annoying halo and improve immersion
                                    • US PT studio is working now with Melody Marks scene being released end of august
                                      Channel Camryn is filmed a week ago
                                      Demi Hawks booked for august 22
                                      and more coming soon

                                    You will start noticing the changes listed above with current releases except for the scene with Lia Lin
                                    The scene with Lia is unfixable due to focus mistake on production side. We cant do anything about it
                                    While i applied maximum sharpness it helps only to some extent.

                                    Long story:
                                    Talking about EU PT studio it is obvious that most of the models will be European.

                                    • Yes a lot of you dont like the girls
                                    • Yes a lot of them dont speack English well

                                    Those two points ⬆️ i can't change. I cant give those girls English lessons or bring American girls to Europe.
                                    So that's something out of my powers. Yet it affects scenes performance.
                                    American passthrough studio was recently built and its coming to its full potential now.
                                    I recently stepped in as a post-production team lead like 2 months ago.
                                    Since then there've been several changes implemented to improve quality of the scenes and not only passthrough.
                                    There are two sides production and post-production.
                                    And as you may have noticed with Lia Lin scene - what was messed up on production side sometime unfixable in post despite common practice of fixing in post.
                                    With this i dont blame the Production team, we are all humans and things happen, but post-production team constantly gives our feedback on every little thing we notice while post-processing the footage.
                                    The rest is on production side to test and change things based on the given feedback.
                                    I'm in constant contact with George, producer of EU PT scenes and i have suggested several improvements to improve image quality such as:

                                    • Better/moderate light
                                      on previous US PT set different light setup was used. George operates his lights to his knowledge and tries to fit to the same conditions.
                                      From my personal opinion the model is lit too well and the contrast/depth is partly lost because of that.
                                      As from what i know George equipped his set with new lights to fix that problem, These newer light scenes will be released in about a month.
                                    • Lense / focus
                                      The clarity of the picture was bugging me as well for as long as the EU PT started.
                                      i was thinking for all that time what could be the problem.
                                      im pretty sure George figured out the focus
                                      i was suspecting that too much light was causing the loss of details and i suggested to rethink the lighting setup
                                      i was suspecting the the lense wasn't clear enough and i suggested to clean lense better prior every set with wet tissue wipes instead of dry tissue

                                    Now regarding

                                    • Positions:
                                      i'm not very proficient on production side, though i've been on several sets, but i'm sure George is reading comments on every PT scene released and tries to improve what users don't like.
                                    • Scale
                                      There are three types of scale which i will explain below
                                      Firstly the prehistory:
                                      as you may know or now know we gave up on the modified lense if you know what it is you know
                                      but basically canon lense has a smaller ipd of 60mm which is alsmot smallest ipd of any grownup man
                                      we had a modified lense that was widened manually to 62-64 mm to improve scale issue while back then
                                      since the project is unique and technically complicated it requires a lot to be made right
                                      the latest lenses were causing us issues with focus and clarity so we went back to original lenses
                                      its a tradeoff between clarity and scale

                                    Now still about Scale and its 3 types:

                                    • Type 1. Regular NON-PT scenes
                                      For non-pt scenes scale is somewhat fine.
                                      Considering that we use unmodified lense, we managed to preserse somewhat natural scale of the model.
                                      While Camera Lens IPD does affect the scale, another important thig that affects the scale is the background/room.
                                      In regular scenes the Model and the Background are backed to each other because its one image.
                                      However with the help of AI Passthrough technology you can now enjoy regular scenes in PT.
                                      But we set the scale or horizontal alignment without consideration of the use of AI PT on these scenes.
                                      So when you watch regular scenes with its original background the scale should be fine.
                                      Should you turn on the AI passthrough the scale might change because you now have a different background that is cast from you headset cameras which have different ipd then original camera on which the scene was filmed.
                                      But i think regular scenes are mostly watched without PT. I might be wrong here, but we are researching this matter.
                                    • Type 2. Passthrough scenes.
                                      Now here is the tricky part.
                                      While we film PT scenes on the same Camera that is used for regular scenes - these are specifically Passthrough scenees and most users watch it in Passthrough mode, while some might be watching it without passthrough and that's why we color the green background into grey/dark gray to let those users enjoy it without pt.
                                      I also noticed that the model in PT looks small, while when you switch off PT she looks normal size.
                                      As stated in previous point - headset cameras have different IPD and that is what causing this scale missmatch.
                                      That is somewhat easily fixable by adjusting the horizontal alignment either in our post processing or in the headset settings.
                                      Now the question is: To which users should be alight the scale? The ones who watch it in PT or those who watch in without PT?
                                      You'd say its PT right? We should alight it to the majority of the PT users. But now whoever watches those scenes without PT the model will appear bigger.
                                      We now increase scale specifically for PT scenes so when you watch it in PT the model is somewhat normal size.
                                      I think it's still not enought and we might increase scale even more so you dont have to fiddle with the settings.
                                      But one thing remain problematic is that when the model moves back and forth her scale changes from small to normal. And that is yet to be solved but not on production or post-production side.
                                    • Type 3. AI Passthrough.
                                      A combination of Regular and Passthrough scenes
                                      Not really the point of this thread but its a passthrough and scale is affected there as well.
                                      Here we cant help with the scale since its a regular scene with regular background and our goal is to preserve scale that is relevant with the background.
                                      I've raised my feedback regarding that issue and its up to the relevant department that can manage that matter.
                                      One thing its good for is that you can clearly notice a difference of scale between PT scale and non PT scale while you switch in between.

                                    Regarding positions
                                    Ive been to several production sets but I'm not really sure if its possible to fix positions
                                    How do you even expect to watch sitting, laying, standing and missionary from one single position?
                                    i don't get that part
                                    besides, if we to go ahead and adjust the image/dick to one constant point it would look like this:

                                    thats just one example
                                    you can see that dicks are in same spot but the image gets cropped
                                    not sure how that would look in headset but i think not very good
                                    on production side i can only imagine
                                    By the way
                                    most probably visiting George in September with member of US production to check some things and hopefully fix something.

                                    Still there is always a room for improvement and i will be doing my best to try and make it better
                                    I'd love to help everyone with everything but simply don't have that much time

                                                Manny_S Thanks for your time to post a response here, really appreciated. And it gives us hope that things WILL improve, seeing your suggestions and ideas for improvement. Like said, it's obvious that this isn't easy, nobody here thinks it is. Really hoping you will get it right!