Manny_S I appreciate the writeup but I just have to say one thing about your scale arguments (type 1,2,3). I'm sorry but this just don't make sense to me. Scale is either incorrect or correct (or at least ballpark correct or incorrect) whether a scene is passthrough or not. The scale was fine for a quite a while with the modified lens, it's also fine in the scenes of a lot of other studios as well (I turn the passthrough on on those all the time).

Currently it's too small in passthrough AND too small in the latest SLR originals I watched. Sure, it's glaringly obvious in passthrough as you get the discrepancy between "your" scale and what feels like a doll scale or something but to me it's also very obvious in non passthrough to the point I'd skip the scene. I get the canon camera has a low IPD, however, since there is now more than one studio releasing good quality scenes with proper scale (even within the SLR network) something should be possible.

About positions, from what I've seen myself regarding the positions (might not be what you where replying too exactly): The issue here is a combination off very small scale and the dick being placed to high up (like at your belly level). This is the worst of two worlds as you can't correct this. The only way you can technically do this is by very aggressive alterations in both the zoom and right setting which will make the image all malformed. When this happens in a passthrough scene it makes the scene pretty much unwatchable.

Anyways, this might be a bit of a harsh writeup and I don't mean to attack you or anything as I appreciate the effort you obviously put into the post. Also these issues can hardly be fixed in post. However since you are the one that is pointing them out: I don't think the sacrifices you talk about should have to be made. I don't know what some of the other studios are using nowadays but apparently there are options out there that do proper scale and good image quality well at the same time. Some with better image quality SLR ever had. Maybe, there are other options or at least get back to the point SLR had a working setup?

    vrpicasso Well in some clips it actually works really well. But it only works when the cock is not moving much, the VR cock and yours need to really line up all the time, hence that's why I think that it will work way better with a male doll than a real actor.

      Manny_S

      You had me at Chanel Camryn ... 🤤 ...

      But seriously, awesome post Manny!

      Its absolutely fantastic that you are looking out for us and encouraging the team to improve, at least to get back to the good old days, but at most to hopefully improve on that!

      Super excited about all the upcoming releases 😊 .

          vrpicasso I personally find it highly distracting when an actor's dick is too different from mine (shape/size/color/hair/(un)circumsized/whatever), I just can't get trick my brain into thinking that that's my dick that I'm seeing. Not sure if I'm alone here or others feel like that too at times, but sometimes I find it quite distracting and immersion breaking.

          On the other hand, in those PT AI clips where the actor has his dick quite still and the girl is just riding it and the AI has the actor's dick filtered out, it sometimes really looks and feels like my own dick is sliding into the girl. I agree, most of the times this doesnt work well, because the actor's dick just is moving too much and then it's also immersion breaking when you just see the world around you through the actor's dick. But when it does work, it's just really so awesome. And I strongly believe that the best way to get this right is with a male torso. But anyway, it's a bit related but also a bit offtopic to this thread here 🙂

            BTW you also had me at Demi Hawks ... 🤗 .

            @Manny_S any chance we could get some preview pics of the US shoots soon?

            Manny_S Thanks for writing this. I don't watch PT but I felt like people didn't understand what must be going on behind the scenes.
            I do have a question about the camera. Was the Simsense scenes shot with the modified camera?

            If this camera causes so much headache why do you guys use it in the first place? A couple of the other big studios don't use it for all of the reasons you mentioned. I have hated the existence of this camera from day one. It set VR porn back by a couple of years in the giant land. It is still ruining some other studios year after year. Is it really just so you can say that you film in 8K? Is there no other 8k cameras? Why not shoot PT with the old camera? I wish you would go back to the old camera for all of your scenes. It still looks better than the newest stuff you guys put out.

                Hey guys, it´s George here from EU PT production.

                First, I want to thank you for all your feedback.
                I read the comments from day one and even though it is hard to read sometimes I am trying to fix the things ASAP.
                Unfortunately it takes time when new scenes are rolled out but I hope with each update there will be small improvement.

                I am in close touch with @Manny_S to discuss things and make things better, based on your feedback. PT is new for me and trying hard to make it right 🙂
                I appreciate your patience with me and I am thankful for every comment that helps to move things forward.

                If you have casting suggestion, any feedback on particular scene with particular timestamp, something you liked/hated, feel free to write it here or DM me.

                Thank you

                  George Good to see you here. I know it's tough to face the mob.

                  I suppose firstly, do you use a Quest 3 to watch your own AR scenes and VR porn in general? Because anything we say is just going to be obvious when you put on a Q3 and try your own content. Attempting to make VR/AR porn if you don't consume it yourself would be like a vegetarian trying to become a world class barbecue chef without tasting the meat.

                  In a way, I'm glad the EU casting has not been to my taste because the technical side is not yet where it should be. I wouldn't want you to cast a goddess and then the scene sucks. Perhaps EU passthrough casting should be another whole thread? The issues here are too fundamental for us to get sidetracked into back and forth about perfect boob sizes etc 😆

                    rerun119 The canon cam has caused A LOT of trouble and that sucked. However, that doesn't mean we need to regress though. Just look at something like the latest Deep in sex scenes like https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/hazel-heart-will-win-your-46508?t=676. This is good quality and proper scale. Then you have VR bangers with video quality even far surpassing that. Why in the hell would we want to regress back to an ancient cam?

                        fenderwq Funny you say that, I was just thinking how VRBangers is putting out the highest quality lately vids lately. SLR used to be top of the game, VRBangers now seems to have gotten close or even passed SLR sometimes. Too bad they removed the download button, but that's a whole different discussion.

                        Not sure which cam they use though.

                            harigeharry Yeah, fuck them for that, not gonna support them anymore. Still, their image quality is just unrivaled at the moment. It always surprises me how much better it is after not having seen it for a while. Does have some weird stuff sometimes though but that might just be camera placement, dunno, don't watch a lot of their content. Anyways, heard someone say it's the fm duo 12k, don't know if that's true: https://www.fxg.space/fm360-duo

                              fenderwq How do you know that Deepinsex and VRBangers use the same camera as SLR? I feel like Deepinsex scenes look bigger since they went to the 8k camera. I liked the older scenes scaling better.
                              Even if those studios are using the same camera that doesn't mean that SLR look the same. Look at VRHush and Fuckpass those 2 studios put out giantland videos for years now because of 8k.
                              If SLR can make the scaling and colors look great then of course keep the camera but how long do you want them to take to figure out how to do it? It's been years now.
                              If the picture looks great but it looks like everything is distorted and too big then I could care less that the image looks nice.
                              Plus Manny already said that you can't fix the scaling with PT so what is the point in using it?

                                  rerun119 your missing the point. I'm saying that it is definitely possible to get both 8k and good scale nowadays. Not that they must stick with the Canon.

                                    I've always thought that Quest 3 passthrough was not that accurate in terms of real life scale and distance perception. I put a tape measure in front of me and compared real life and passthrough scale / distance, by peering at the tape measure in the gap under the headset compared to with passthrough.

                                    From this simple test, it looks like the tape measure in PT on Quest 3 appears to be around 10% smaller than real life because it appears to be further from my eyes. So the scale of objects in PT looks accurate to real life but as they appear further away this massively impacts how models appear in PT.

                                    Is this the same for everyone else?

                                    If I play the latest AR scene, with passthrough off it's like most other VR scenes, with fairly good scale and distance. With PT on, the guy's dick is suddenly way too close (because my body is further away than real life in PT) - when you adjust distance the model shrinks and then you have to adjust scale and the distortion kicks in etc.

                                    Is passthrough this inaccurate for you guys? I use prescription lens inserts, which may be a factor.

                                      vrpicasso I noticed it depends on how far an object is from the camera/quest. As in the closer it is the worse the scale is off. Quest is continuously updating their depth correction algorithms though. If you quickly put on and off the quest and look at your room it's pretty much 1:1 for me. Pretty much everything that is further out than a meter is nearly perfect scale.