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doublevr I’ve already told you my position. I don’t think that guy deserves to be anywhere near a porn shoot, period. That’s my opinion, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t mean shit, but it won’t stop me from expressing it here.

Here’s the thing though. You’re the one that’s taking the gamble here. How many of your customers are you going to alienate by going forward working with this guy? And how many female performers out there are you going to alienate while you’re at it, because I can already tell you that Alex Coal is now aware of your announcement, as are many others who have accused him of the same. I can well imagine that they’re going to do everything they can to warn girls from working with Jimmy, and it wouldn’t surprise me if SLR, as a company, gets added to that effort. So why would you take this risk?

You say that you’re just making his channel available, but that doesn’t ring true. You’ve never headlined a new channel that way before, and Melody Marks announced the scene on her socials by tagging SLRO. How did she have it in her mind she was putting out an SLR original unless she was told this along the way? Both these things say this is a bigger partnership than you said after the announcement blew up in your face. It’s your company man, but if it were mine I’d be taking a step back and thinking long and hard about whether partnering with a known abuser is the mark of a “wise CEO”.

    Vrsumo2017 Idk, this all to crazy for me.

    I should've just kept it 🤐 lol 🤦‍♂️

    At the heart of the matter, the majority of people here aren't trying to cancel Jimmy (he's already been canceled), nor are we trying to cancel models. You're the first person to start talking about a "no fap" list, which is funny to think about, yes, but not really pertinent to this topic.

    The majority of us (as shown directly above) are trying to prevent SLR from making an ill-advised decision by working with someone that has a bad reputation in the industry (fact), has been accused of unethical and predatory actions on set and has been fired (fact), and that can potentially cause outcry within industry talent which could bring countless days of headaches and potential lawsuits if something happens on set and SLR is held responsible, even if just by association (not fact, but a concern).

    It's been made clear by @doublevr now, that Jimmy has his own private channel and SLR has nothing to do with it, but of course, many of us were/are not convinced when this topic was initially called "SLR 2024 Plans", Jimmy's announcement was the second bullet point, and Melody Marks posted a picture of her on set for "SLR Originals". This has all been reemphasized again by @doublevr that it is not SLR related, so there's not much else to say on that topic.

    Regarding all of this:

    doublevr my existential question is why all we people just can't be friends.

    Do good things to each other.

    Give sincere apologies if something bad happens, learn a lesson from it and move on with our lives

    I 100% agree with this kind of mantra. These are good ideas to live by and practice. But Jimmy (by many accounts) did not "do good things to each other" and Jimmy did not "give sincere apologies" as his apology video has been removed and changed into some joke-filled parody video, clearly showing he was not sincere. But if you supporting Jimmy is your way of doing good to others, well I can't argue with it. I can only question.

    In the end, it looks like production is underway, and Jimmy will have a platform to share his VR work again. But if shit hits the fan down the road, all I can say is there were many loyal SLR customers on this thread who tried to help steer this ship in a different, safer, and better direction. But it's not our company. People have a right to leave with their money, and not because of "cancel culture", but simply because they don't want to be on this ship any longer.

          Vrsumo2017 I think you're asking an important question. How far does it go? Do we boycott anyone who works with him, says nice things about him, or worked with him in the past? That's one of the reasons why I hate cancel culture. After reading the allegations against him, I certainly understand why people don't want him to have a platform, but I guess I'm not ready to threaten canceling my SLR sub over it. Maybe I'm wrong but I'll have to trust the decisions SLR and the female performers make regarding the matter.

              g2kbuffetboy "no fap" list, which is funny to think about

              Lol, but that's what it has come down to these days, putting others on your "no fap" list. Smh 🤦‍♂️

              Lol 🤣

                vrpicasso Exactly that!! I won't cancel my subscription, heck, I even can't becauseI have lifetime 🙂 But even if I could, I wouldn't, that's just the honest truth. My self interest here (having access to the best VR porn site) is just more important to me than cancelling Jimmy is. In that way I'm probably exactly the same as @doublevr so I definitely won't blame him, I'm no better. But I just think myself that even from all ethics aside, it's just a bad business decision and I, as pretty much everybody here, tried to stop @doublevr from making, what's in my opinion, just a bad business decision. But it seems he's not going to change his mind, so oh well. Let's hope we're wrong. The future will tell. But my predictions:

                1) Jimmy won't change! There will be more actresses in the future who will report problems at some point. It's obvious this guy doesn't feel guilty even a little bit.
                2) Several actresses will not work with SLR anymore. I expect that that list won't be limited to the 20 actresses that complained about Jimmy, more will follow suit.
                3) Some customers will cancel, although personally I don't think it will be that many
                4) There will be ongoing backlash for a long time to come. People will comment below every video he posts how big of a scumbag he is. More and more people will find out (most wont even know who Jimmy is right now, but will find out) and backlash will only get more and more intense.
                5) SLR's good name will get damaged to a certain point.

                Let's see if I'm right.

                  g2kbuffetboy Your points are valid. I definetly respect your thoughts on the matter and you articulate them well. Makes me conclude I should rethink my position. Ughhhh!

                    g2kbuffetboy At the heart of the matter, the majority of people here aren't trying to cancel Jimmy (he's already been canceled), nor are we trying to cancel models.

                    Yes, not really about cancelling. It's about SLR customers voicing their concerns about a producer with a bad reputation.

                    In the business areas I work in, we try to avoid doing business with people and companies with bad reputations, sometimes only because we do not want to our clients to thick we approve or endorse their conduct.

                    SLR has the $$$ for my lifetime subscription and even if they didn't, I wouldn't threaten to not renew. I love the website. That said, it seems questionable to associate with this person.

                      I’ve made my opinion clear but I will add this….

                      On the one hand, I can understand not making a full throated apology because that is an admission of guilt and opens one up to litigation. It’s merely self preservation, and the American legal system can be very cutthroat. If, hypothetically any of us were in a similar situation I’m sure we would seek legal counsel and be walking on eggshells with any statements we put out. On the other hand, what’s been shared of his “apology” and how he presents himself on social media doesn’t exactly paint a very sympathetic picture. At best, he’s incredibly immature and unprofessional in how he presents himself, which doesn’t exactly say much for his potential innocence.

                      Again, I’m a guy who watches porn….I'm not so invested in any of this that I’d even for a second consider cancelling my account and I think anyone who does so is foolish. There’s far, far more significant causes to fight for in today’s world than this. I barely care, let adults make decisions for themselves and if they think he’s dangerous, by all means don’t work with him. But as others have said, if it was my business, I’d certainly take pause before working with someone who acts this way.

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                      jaggyg33 Just use your @argyle43 account I know who you are, and it's not nice talking in my back. Thank you

                        doublevr I’m not asking for any of this. I’m just asking SLR to not give him a channel, simple. It’s a bad look. I like SLR. I want it to be a company with a good reputation that models want to shoot for.

                        In regard to the so-called “canceling” him, is that not what he tried to do to those models that didn’t like the way they were treated? He tried to discredit them and paint them as being hard to work with. He may not have directly said that, but he certainly created an environment where that is what they were afraid of. They were worried of being cancelled from the industry for something that was forced upon them.

                        So, I don’t want to see a leader in the VR industry making his barrier to reentry into the industry easier. Imo, there is too much risk to your reputation at stake. If he wants back in, let him start from scratch. That’s not canceling him, that’s protecting your brand.

                          Vrsumo2017 It should ultimately be the model’s choice. So, no, I don’t hold it against them at all.

                          If a hot model chooses to shoot for him, would I watch it? Yes, honestly, if she was hot AF AND she was comfortable shooting for him knowing who he is.

                            Here is how I look at it
                            I read Alex statement back in Wankz days
                            Alex coal has shot hundreds of scenes with hundreds of directors
                            As far as I know she has only ever said one director was a piece of shit
                            That sounds like a credible story from my end
                            @doublevr do you believe her?

                            I never said jail or anything else, Just find a different director
                            I would think you should be on the pornstars side. It looks like you are on the business and money side.

                            Cbomb333 That's one of the reasons why I hate cancel culture.

                            "Cancel culture" is a bullshit term made up by people who don't like accepting consequences for their actions. Don't want to be "cancelled?" Don't be a dirtbag. And if you sincerely make a mistake, learn from it, atone for it, and make amends for it. Calling the company that fired you weak and the talent that you abused whores is NOT any of those things, so he obviously hasn't learned his lesson.

                            If you had a child or a parent who reported that someone in a position of trust abused them in the way that Jimmy abused these actresses, would you want them to not have access to people like your loved ones again, or would you be ranting about "cancel culture"?

                                Vrsumo2017 While you do raise a good point, i feel like the situation just can't be looked at the same way. The girls who still choose to work with him aren't in a position of power and they aren't abusing anyone, they are either girls that are ok with a rando director getting handsy with them or maybe they have bills to pay and they can't afford to say no to the job even if it's with a risky director.

                                    I read some people say how about second chances and something about people learning from their mistakes.

                                    That sounds reasonable, where do I read the apology?

                                    I assume it says something like "I'm very sorry the Alex felt the way she did. I never meant to hurt her in any way. I admit I have gotten handzey from time to time. There is no place for overstepping the bounds without consent, even on a porn set. I have truly learned from my mistakes and will never do something like that again. My deepest apologies."

                                    I'm not a very good writer so I figure his reads a little better than that.

                                    Can someone please upload his apologie.

                                    Vrsumo2017 I know a lot are huge fans of melody marks, she's obviously supporting him and working with him, so do this mean she goes on their no fap list, is she canceled, are they gonna go to these hotties that film with him and say they no longer support them.

                                    I mean also like a lot of his content he's worked on is all over the place, povr, vrporn and slr, I mean shouldn't a sub cancelation happened already but a cancelation is gonna happen now cus he's getting a channel to upload more content.

                                    Idk, I don't get it. I mean
                                    If you're really against this guys existences in the porn industry shouldn't you really be boycotting or canceling subs to any site that carries any of his content old or new.

                                    And how yall know he hasn't filmed for any other vr studio since leaving wankz, most studios don't even mention directors names.

                                    That post is full of dumb or uninformed takes.

                                    1) Girls have no reason to be "cancelled" when Jimmy is the predator. Girls who don't have a problem working with Jimmy right now may ultimately learn the hard way when Jimmy inevitably attempts some sleezy shit that crosses the line, as Alex Coal and the other victims already found out.

                                    2) The fact that Jimmy's content is on multiple sites means absolutely nothing. All his VR content was produced under contract for Wankz and he isn't profiting off that content now. Cancelling a sub to one of the sites that host his historical content does nothing to prevent him from preying on girls in future.

                                    3) Jimmy hasn't worked for anyone other than Wankz. His original VR content has only been produced for WankzVR and sister sites.

                                        Hairsational Girls have no reason to be "cancelled"

                                        OK so that's a no for you, no girls will be going on your no fap list if they work with the guy.
                                        Got it. 👍

                                        Imo these girls are not stupid, I'm pretty sure most these hotties who been in the industry long enough know about this situation.

                                        Anyways, I'm out of this convo already, it puts a damper on my vr experience, 😕
                                        Plus I was just asking a question, if these hotties male or female work with Jimmy and even tho they do know the situation, and maybe the booking agency books them with Jimmy, I'm pretty sure they're aware too, will they be going on yalls no fap list.

                                        So far it's a no. 🤷‍♂️

                                            Vrsumo2017 Look, people still watch Pulp Fiction even though Weistein produced it, no one who worked with him has been cancelled for that reason, even though some / most were aware of his reputation for years. Actors and especially models need money and you absolutely cannot say that just because a producer has been able to hire talent they are therefore reputable or the environment is safe. Putting the onus on the performer to make the right / smart decision is placing responsibility in entirely the wrong place.

                                              Wendigo What you're saying is rational. However, not sure I was "ranting" about cancel culture. Just trying to look at all sides and form an opinion. The only conclusion I have come to is only the performers and studios should decide whether this guy comes back to the industry. Curious to see what backlash from stars and studios comes to SLR if they provide Jimmy a platform. I can either just sub or not sub I suppose. I think the community here has more than adequately voiced their concerns.

                                                ill add my comment. just dont give him a platform. people dont want his material. its not worth the risk to your reputation and there are other sites people can move to if they disapprove. your customer base is your biggest asset, not jimmy. you will grow without him, you risk growth with him. simple.

                                                SchnuppiLilac Hope so

                                                Also, as far as Jimmy goes, if this many people don't want the content why bother having it? Even if the guy did do nothing wrong, the people paying actively do not want him.

                                                It's not even a moral decision, just looks like bad business. But what do I know

                                                  @doublevr

                                                  Did the studio of Jimmy will be exclusive to SLR or his video will also be on vrporn/povr(well maybe not on this one)/... ?

                                                    doublevr
                                                    Look it’s 330am I was about to go to sleep and then I stumbled upon this post. I’ve purchased dozens of videos and would have bought a subscription a long time ago but thought, you know what? I want to support SLR for years to come not just pay a lump sum and get my moneys worth from nightly usage. Heck, I even was planning on applying to work at SLR. And you know what I always preach that y’all are the best in VR porn to my friend groups that are tight like that.

                                                    But after seeing THIS absolutely abhorrent response to this incident. It’s sad and it’s infuriating. Women in this industry go through so much SA and harassment from the public and sometimes even fans, there was a recent sad death that was tied to the industry because of EXACTLY this kind of behavior that is frankly inexcusable. Y’all will end up like Nijisanji if you don’t change your act immediately.

                                                    I will not mince words, I will NOT be purchasing any further videos I will NOT be recommending you as a service I will take EVERY OPPORTUNITY to badmouth discredit and insult this platform if you do not take immediate action. You must take women seriously especially performers that give everything and are risking the most only for you toss them aside like a used condom. It’s absolutely disgusting and quite frankly ruins this entire website if I can’t be sure that you are not treating your performers with the respect they deserve. I can’t imagine a bigger turn off than that always being at the back of my head the doubt that lingers there while playing any video here. If you platform this KNOWN ABUSER OF WOMEN on your site, you will lose all credibility, your devoted fans, your reason for existence.

                                                    REMOVE THIS ABUSER FROM YOUR PLATFORM AND STAND WITH THE WOMEN WHOS LITERAL BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS FEEDS YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES

                                                        Vrsumo2017 Well at least your honest.

                                                        Same here 🙋‍♂️ lol

                                                        lol you know you and I love some hot tail bro lol. Nothing gonna stop that lmao.

                                                        Honestly though, depending on how much im bothered by the jimmy thing back then, it sometimes hops in my head during the fap session. Like is she pissed off in this scene, is she scared, does she feel uncomfortable, etc. Then im like man wtf dude?? just fap to it. but that can break immersion sometimes..

                                                        but if they hot, they hot. im not gonna waste my chance to fantasize about it.

                                                          Xipernosky If you platform this KNOWN ABUSER OF WOMEN on your site, you will lose all credibility, your devoted fans, your reason for existence.

                                                          REMOVE THIS ABUSER FROM YOUR PLATFORM AND STAND WITH THE WOMEN WHOS LITERAL BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS FEEDS YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES

                                                          im not far from you. I wont totally not get videos anymore, especially if they are really hot and im a big fan of the talent, but i will lose respect and start moving away from it mentally. Kinda what happened to me and wankz, and i used to be a huge wankz fan. I just cant support it.

                                                              Let’s get Jimmy speak for himself. Especially as he was prohibited from bringing it.

                                                              Fuck that shit

                                                              ATTENTION:

                                                              https://therealpornwikileaks.com/primal-fetish-alex-coal-accused-of-sexual-assault-abuse-and-doxxing/

                                                              SO this is the girl most of you on here are all defending? This is the girl you believe is such an innocent angel? The girl that has a bunch of stories from other porn girls on how she would trick them into shooting with her and her man, then sit in another room or hold camera while they would get abused and humiliated by them or him? then when they would ask her for help or to back their stories , she would laugh n call them liars. Then spread the girls real names and info to the world if they said anything? (Doxxing) Gimme a Break here guys, you are all blind if you think she's just a poor baby victim and doesn't possess the ability to make up some bullshit to take heat off of herself.

                                                              if you believe Alex Coal just because she went public, then i guess you'll believe all the girls who went public about her being scum, right?

                                                              I Read her story about the shoot with Jimmy, and YES I think she is leaving out alot of context and details and has twisted the story all to her benefit. So much so that makes it quite unbelievable. It reads like a teenage horror fiction novel. There's no way a long time veteran director would be that wildly unhinged all of sudden on her set. We are talking about a director who has consistently made "Comedy" porn. Beyond all his funny VR scenes, No one here has seen his xxxproposal videos, or his exploitedbabysitters videos or Sleazydirector videos where he was the male talent from back in the day? he would make jokes just like what Alex Coal is describing as being serious. The counting money on the back is bit he's done forever in those scenes. that Barbie doll video someone linked in this thread of his is hilarious. I can't be the only one that see's this. She went too over the top. Especially since she says she writes alot of the dark fiction stories for Primal Fetish. Surprised nobody has cared to point this out or cared to try and see the possible other side. Especially since they care so much to keep Jimmy for getting a channel on here. Not interested in being fair i guess.

                                                              One of the big issues with my ex-wife was that she was a xanax abuser. She would have "Xanax Nightmares" that were so vivid, she began to believe they really happened and started accusing me of doing things that only happened in her dreams. One of the details of the Alex Coal interview that no one seems to pick up on, is that Alex Coal takes Xanax, she said it herself. So it is very possible that she also overdoes the Xanax and that fucks with peoples heads and memories and thoughts. So possibly her memory of the shoot with Jimmy (which happened over 4 years ago) is much darker, or compromised or lacking certain facts or context that would change the narrative. She probably has played this dark version in her head so many times, that she believes it to be 100% true. which is sad, sad that it get so many people upset with someone whom none of us even know or personally met. WHY Do you guys care so much about this?!

                                                              So do i believe her just because she "went public", just because she went on a small unknown podcast to tell a one sided story? No Not at All. and to be honest, i really don't give a fuck about what the truth is. how any one on here is so sure that dude is a "known abuser" and knows for fact, is beyond me. Surprised the devs let people slander like this.

                                                              I haven't been a member to any porn site in over 2 years, and in fact i've never sat and typed out anything on a pornography forum. But this thread just pissed me off. I just want to get some hot "good old days" VR porn to jerk off to. and to everyone trying to keep SLR from bringing that back to us, acting like they were there, or they were witness, or they know all the facts of this porn drama, and they know better than the SLR higher ups as far a decision making, you all are ridiculous. You are all weird ass crybabies. You don't speak for all of us and in fact you probably only speak for the small minority of members. Just shut up and go back to stroking your cocks, and stop worrying about the people that make it for you to do so. its really that simple.

                                                              @doublevr if you were part of this decision, i commend you for sticking to your guns and making this a reality. Keeping a logical and reasonable head on here. Let these haters burn out. i will be a paying customer as long as Lifestyles is here. Ya let's hear from him.

                                                                LettucePoker I just read through that feed and wow, the convos of those screenshots are absolutely horrible. I don't follow PrimalFetish's work, but I seriously hope they are out of business. Thank you for spreading awareness about that.

                                                                Regarding Alex Coal... of course, that is extremely disappointing to learn about. But whatever the case is with her does not change anything about the overall point in this thread. And moreover, it doesn't negate the other models that have come forward with. What Alex said broke the camel's back for Jimmy's career. But that was after a long line of accusations.

                                                                Jimmy even admits on video (the second one) that he licked Emma Starletto and Emma Hix's ass without consent. So trying to point fingers in the other direction (towards Alex) ultimately doesn't change anything.

                                                                I get that this topic can be debated for years, and it will be impossible to ever come to an agreement. Especially after some level-headed responses were made in good faith, that we are just concerned for SLR and for @doublevr 's own good (just trying to keep SLR "out of the lion's den" like @vrpicasso said). That's what it really comes down to.

                                                                At this point, it's clear the decision has already been made, and the channel will be created, and it will be released on SLR's service, but not under SLR Originals. I suppose that's all there is to it. People will vote with their likes, words, and wallets. And Jimmy along with SLR will be under a microscope going forward, and that's just the risk they are willing to take.

                                                                  Dammit, is there any part of this industry that is good or healthy? Kinda wish I never came to this forum. Life is better when you don't know how the sausage is made.

                                                                  I do think it's interesting that despite all the allegations, afaik nobody pressed any charges. Jimmy is definitely not a saint, i really hope he learned his lesson and realised it's not early 2000s anymore. But if you think he's the odd one out, you might be looking at the porn industry through some rose tinted glasses.

                                                                    LettucePoker Jimmy back with another account?

                                                                    Alex defending her (at the time) boyfriend doesn't invalidate the countless claims against Jimmy by her and other girls. People defend their partners. He is another abuser anyway and she left him.

                                                                        stefanno I do think it's interesting that despite all the allegations, afaik nobody pressed any charges.

                                                                        People don't take matters to court for many reasons. Women are often subjected to things like rape and domestic abuse for years and never do it, so it's hardly interesting that for a porn performer who is generally more open to things wouldn't either.

                                                                        Besides, you don't press charges unless you have something to gain. You also need solid evidence that can prove to a court, behind reasonable doubt, that it happened. Unless she had a camera or microphone rolling she doesn't have that and good luck convincing a court or even an ordinary person that a porn performer wasn't okay with having her pussy licked.

                                                                            Why doesn't Jimmy Lifestyles just write his side of the story instead of making accounts under different names and acting like it is someone else?

                                                                            Again Alex Coal has been in the industry for many years. She has worked with hundreds of directors (I'm sure they are not all saints). Can someone show me where she has told other stories like the Jimmy one? I really don't know if she has told other stories before, I don't follow the porn industry other than a couple VR sites.