LifestylesVR channel - CANCELED

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doublevr Respectfully, I don't want to tell you how to run your business, but this Jimmy thing is a lightning rod for negative attention to your brand. I don't think he's the hill worth dying on. I just don't think he should have a platform on SLR, he belongs in jail.

doublevr

parsec great you guys aren't judges. The place would turn shit if you would.

If there is reason for him to go there he should be prosecuted.

You must be really sick bringing it up that way.

What's fucking wrong with you people? You are mad not knowing shit other than Twitter posts?

Just go bring the charges for fucks sake.

argyle43

doublevr not knowing shit other than Twitter posts?

Did you listen to Alex Coal’s nearly hour long interview about what happened that day? I did. Did you go and watch the scene where she debuted on Wankz (and as I recall VR porn in general)? I did. She detailed specifics that can be verified by looking at the scene. When the male talent took a break, Jimmy told her they would get some fingering footage and he (Jimmy) would stand in for the stunt-cock. You can see the hands in that part of the scene are Jimmy’s - very different from the stunt-cock. And while Alex’s expressions and body language stay mostly professional it’s clear in some spots that’s she’s very uncomfortable and not happy.

So no - and Alex’s story matches many other female performers - it isn’t just Twitter rumors. Watch the end of the Christmas Bonus scene where Elena Koschka gives a final performance. Jimmy’s behavior throughout that scene is clearly what girls complain about - his hands are all over many of the girls, and while we don’t see what may have happened to Elena, she also looks pretty miserable in that last segment. I love Elena but I can’t watch that, and she’s one of the women that have corroborated all this.

That @Unamed account looks suspiciously like it’s Jimmy himself and to imply that pornstars and prostitutes sign away their right to consent and respectful treatment because of their choice to get paid for sex is exactly what SLR should never ever enable. He even uses a hateful term like whores to convey his blatant disdain for women.

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doublevr I didn't mean to offend you.

rerun119

I am no saint but i'm also not a horrible person. I really liked a lot of Jimmy's scenes made for Wankz, but we all have to make a choice on how much we are willing to morally give up for porn.

When you say

doublevr Getting a personal channel for Jimmy Lifestyles

doublevr and we are helping him out with setup

You can't act like you have no involvement with him. You are writing it as one of the big things coming to your site.

Also pornstars aren't idiots, they can see perfectly well that you believe Jimmy's story of what happened in all the accusations over Alex Coal and all the others

doublevr You are mad not knowing shit other than Twitter posts?

Did you really think that you could advertise the return of Jimmy coming to your site without all the this backlash? The second I read it, I thought "oh boy, here we go"

doublevr

It's just not the right way to put things.

The dude above is blatantly lying to enjoy the heat of the moment. I know many times when Twitter posts have been a lie only intending to harm people or someone getting out of mind

You people are sick

fuccaneer

This thread is a strong reminder why you should think twice before paying for a lifetime membership. That small discount isn't worth giving up the power to "vote with your wallet".

BML5768

These girls are in porn films, sure, that doesn't give the director the right to do whatever he wants with them. Do you think Martin Scorsese corners the actresses on his set and fingers them because they are in nude sex scenes in his movies? What do you think that reaction would be? Also, get real, its not just one girl on twitter that's made these allegations. Its a bunch of them.
If you're going to go forward with this you'd better get used to this reaction, it's not going to stop and you're putting the target on yourself now instead of just him.

jimdogma

I could give a rat's ass about any of those 15 bullet-pointed "advancements" to the SLR platform. What about the SHORTS feature that was promised to be fixed months ago? That is the only advancement I care about. Again, I'm utterly STUNNED that this was not even mentioned in the list... This doesn't have to even be anything hugely fancy, just something for a business man on the run to get a few quick hits over lunch rather than having to settle in for for a two hour show every time. We can call it the business man's lunch! 🙂

InfiniteFun

petermc

I see Alex Coal posted something on twitter saying she’d received some severely upsetting and unexpected news that caused her to have a panic attack yesterday and that it would put girls in danger. She never said what it was and the tweet has since been deleted but she has since started reposting stuff about Jimmy Lifestyles so I think we can all read between the lines.

Congrats SLR on making abused women relive their trauma with your “announcement”.

Men who work in the porn industry may have no respect for female performers but you’ll find that a lot of porn fans absolutely do. This isn’t some twitter hearsay, this is multiple women making complaints, refusing to work for a studio and ultimately the person being fired in disgrace. This is the guy you’re partnering with. Shame on you!

argyle43

petermc Congrats SLR on making abused women relive their trauma with your “announcement”.

Thanks for this update. Here’s two contrasting pictures showing direct reactions to the SLR announcement that they intend to ignore Jimmy Lifestyle’s shameful treatment of the women who are the very lifeblood of their success.

Alex Coal’s reaction. We can’t see it as she removed, but the interactions are sincere as are her responses, which are brave. I see nothing disingenuous about it…

In sharp contrast, I’m 95% certain the fake account Unamed was created by Jimmy himself yesterday to talk himself and SLR up, while mocking us as self righteous “saints”. He goes on to compare pornstars to whores… to imply that his behavior towards Alex (and the many other women) was in no way out of line. This reaction in contrast to Alex’s above shows cowardice and disingenuousness.

Let us hope that SLR is starting to get the message that this backlash will only grow stronger and stronger as industry players weigh in, as well as fans who BELIEVE these women.

Oh and here’s the actual Jimmy: Defiant. Unremorseful. And with the same cadence in his writing and clumsy grammar as Unamed above.

I have little doubt it was Jimmy in the forum with that fake account. So despicable 🤦🏻‍♂️

vrpicasso

Please read the room. Calling your subscribers "sick" because they universally object to your partnering with an abusive director is such a head-in-the-sand moment it defies belief. No one wants this. It will cause you reputational damage. Setting the bar at "well, he's not in jail" is insultingly low. This isn't a one-off Twitter complaint, it was a widely documented series of allegations from multiple women who have significant sway in the industry. Alienating your subscribers AND your talent is madness. Please consider that your audience is not sick or mentally unhinged but actually cares for YOU and your company as well as your models. This is a decisive moment and your future actions have consequences. I hope you take a moment, don't reply angrily, and just pause, consult others in the industry, especially the talent, before proceeding. Genuinely wishing SLR a bright future, as industry leaders.

legitrider020

Such a big bummer. I don't follow the industry at all, and just a few minutes of research has left me in shock. Bummer, SLR has been way above any other studio regarding content imo, but there are other studios. I'll miss the scripts but even other studios are doing that now. No way I can reconcile renewing subscription knowing SLR is partnered with a serial predator and SLR's leadership is doubling down despite all the feedback, makes this look all the more alarming and suspect. Won't be renewing my Subscription if this dude has a channel on here, and its clearly a partnership given the fact it's the only studio given attention and y'all specifically speak about helping him set up. I pay for porn b/c I rather pay for content than risk being entertained by another person's oppression or trauma.

Docotto

Clearly the subscribers overwhelmingly believe the women who have spoken up (and God knows how many who haven't) abouut the predatory behavior of this sick fuck. These reports aren't just Twitter one-offs, you can easily find in just a minute Emma Hix's account (and many others) and see how clearly she feels violated.

SLR leadership is not taking into account the hit in lost revenue and the talent that will refuse to work with SLR whether or not Jimmy is an employee or just a contributor. SLR doesn't see it, but this is one of the worst decisions conceivable in this industry. That SLR leadership would stand with him is a solid indicator that they share a disdain of women with that jackhole. They feel that if a woman is doing this for a living, she's trash and is free game to whatever they want to do to them.

I suppose their SLR's next move will be to post weight loss tips from Jared Fogle and tips on how to pick up chicks by R. Kelly. It disgusts me that a site that purports to be a safe and healthy environment for performers actually just thinks of them as whores.

harigeharry

Also @doublevr just think about how the comment section below jimmy's video will be. Honestly IF you're going to go through with this (I honestly hope you won't), better disable the comments on his videos. It would be a mess everytime.

LuvBabesInVr

doublevr why Jimmy ? Do you not know that he was accused of assault multiple times by multiple people? He's not a safe person to have on set. Google his name and an entire Jezebel article will come up about it.

blaze466

I am in disbelief that you (SLR) are giving Jimmy a channel. This goes completely against your values. To act like you aren’t enabling him because it is his own separate channel is pure lunacy.

I stand with all of the others speaking out. The models deserve better. You wonder why they are all flocking to OFs. They deserve to be treated professionally and with utmost respect. This will not only have significantly negative impacts on your brand, but it will also hurt the entire VR industry. I’m so disappointed.

blaze466

doublevr Opening up investment opportunities to grow faster. A lot could be done. We just need more muscle power.

Is this why he gets his channel and unwavering support from you guys? If so, he is likely going to have more influence on the brand than you are leading on.

doublevr

We are further looking into things to get to a meaningful depth of context. Thx for all the informative posts (few).

Also it’s important to realize X/Twitter is not a place for prosecution or judgement. It’s a great place to rise awareness. Right now it looks like some staged drama with some expected behavior in place.

It’s an absolutely wrong way of getting justice as with all the noise and pressure it undermines the whole idea of making sense of things.

Humanity is doomed if most of the serious stuff gets done via X and other places like this.

It might have been a perfect case for police or someone. Why not bringing it there? No idea how we should make sense of it. Should we ban people channels because those reports?

blaze466

doublevr Should we ban people channels because those reports?

Yes. This isn’t a court case. This is a business decision to maintain the integrity of your brand. You established your core values for a reason.

If you proceed with his channel, you will lose a large portion of your customer base, many models will refuse to work with you (further degrading your brand), and VR’s reputation will take a negative hit, further driving models to produce content in ways they feel safe and have more control over. Meanwhile, the stigma that porn has - the stigma that causes banks to scrutinize your content, members to not join, models to shy away from the industry or retire early - only grows. I thought you all understood this, and that was why you established your core values of being focused on wellness.

Based off of all of the different accounts of the events from the models, it is extremely unlikely they are making it up. But, even if they were, the perception is still there. It is not worth the risk. If Jimmy wants back in the industry, he can try to start his own company. Don’t compromise yours.

wongry

doublevr
You're right that Twitter is not a platform to deliver prosecution or justice.

But it is a place where people can speak about their experience. Whether you believe them (or who you choose to believe) matters, not because it's a legal verdict (since it isn't), but because you're powerful and your decisions matter.

SLR is a valuable brand and platform. I want it to do well since I think it's the best! But it's clear from this thread that a lot of people are against promoting Jimmy or giving him a platform, which could drag SLR down by association. If what you say is true - that Jimmy just gets a personal channel - you did highlight him in the original post to show that it's something special to promote. (Surely you have other 3rd parties you're thrilled about?)

So many posts in this thread are alarmed by this part, that there's only tiny bits of discussion in this thread about JAV censoring, BYOJ, etc. It appears that announcing a platform for Jimmy steals the attention from SLR's other important initiatives.

I fucking love SLR's passthrough; I can't wait for the connectivity upgrades for the Kiiroo Keon. I really want to try BYOJ.

People aren't discussing the neat things SLR is working on because Jimmy receives all the attention.

[Edit: and for the record, I believe the women. But even ignoring my beliefs and purely from a pragmatic angle, the excitement for SLR 2024 is muddied by this matter.]

mebejoe

doublevr Should we ban people channels because those reports?

That might be the safest course of action. In private employment situations people sometimes get fired after an investigation that might not lead to a criminal prosecution and prehaps not even have enough evidence for a criminal prosecution. Remember, criminal charges must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But civil cases only need to be proven by the balance of the evidence -- that is, if the weight is 51% in favor of liability, then there is liability.

And there are lots of reasons women don't bring charges. You must be aware of that.

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