SchnuppiLilac What can we expect here in terms of conditions and pricing?
Very reasonable. We want to make things work for everyone and have our users happy. Still doing the math behind it. Data hoarders should not have advantage over streaming users like it is now.
Downloads aren't evil. We just have to structure it right.
We know to succeed where others have failed and making things work for everyone.
We can have an upgrade 50 downloads for $19.99 with no expiration for the time of active premium. These will be used once a user is out of limit.
And 10 scripts for $9.99.
Good move. I only ever stream I download if I find out a studio is leaving like Swallowbay, in which case I may download 1 or 2 favourite scenes.
Why would yearly downloads need to be limited further? I almost never hit the download limit but I hate having to think about it or having to make sure I download things regularly. I also don't want to stream for various reasons and have been continously subscribed for years btw.
I guess it won't effect me personally since I'm already subscribed but still. If your drive crashes or you have been on holiday for a while and you need to download a little more than usual, I think that should be possibly every now and again on a yearly sub.
doublevr We can have an upgrade 50 downloads for $19.99
If the goal is to let frequent downloaders pay for the additional traffic, I don't think this offer is attractive. For $20 you can get a second subscription with the competition and an additional 600 downloads per month plus their exclusive content. So I think this approach will only reduce downloads but will not generate any significant additional revenue.
When I am downloading videos it is because I want to watch them in the highest bitrate available and I can't do this by streaming. I am not building any archives. My days are numbered and I am hardly able to keep up with all the new videos coming out every day.
If the choice is buy extra downloads or spend that money on another site that doesn't have those restrictions, I can't see any possible scenario where I'm buying the downloads. You're already the most expensive option on the market.
SLR seems to be the only VR site that consistently sees downloading as a problem that needs fixing.
petergriff look where other sites have got over 8 years and compare with slr. We must be doing something right i guess.
Evolve or else. Easy
SLR's download limits are very gracious. If you need to download hundreds of scenes a month, please realize there is a good chance a site like SLR that not only produces its own content, but monthly pays royalties out to studios may in fact lose money. Porn, as crazy as it may sound, does not grow on trees.
Per pricing, do note the economy is not in a good shape. Netflix now is in shooting distance of being the same price as an adult paysite in spite of them getting MUCH better processing rates and having magnitudes more users. That smaller sites (and yes, compared to Netflix, SLR is a small site) and especially those in our industry can hold the fort at pricing the way they have been over the years (or decades now) should be seen as commendable.
ZENRA Try justify it however you want. Other comparable sites aren't increasing prices or reducing their far more generous download limits.
Data hoarder is a term you use for your customers now? Misusing? Users only ever operate within the confines that your system has established. The lack of foresight on such obvious matters should have been thought out more thoroughly instead.
I'm a lifer... so THIS proposed decrease doesn't affect me..
But when I signed up here, for life, my download limit was advertised as double what it is now. I still want what I paid for. That's one of the main reasons I paid here and not elsewhere. I've since gotten an additional lifetime sub elsewhere and I get up to 20 every single day (much more than I can or want to use there most days.. but it's there if/when I decide to use it.. I like that flexiblity). The download limits are already the lowest here, but as long as you give people what is advertised at the time they pay, I'm fine with it. Then it's the customer's choice to decide if the offer is right for them for the price.
One observation: It's likely that you're experiencing more downloads than usual this month due to the release of Quest 3. I've downloaded films for the obvious reason that streaming at Quest 3 quality results in significant network lagging (some months I don't download much).
One suggestion: Bandwidth costs are lower than studio costs, I'm guessing. I'd suggest that you permit unlimited downloads of the SLR Originals films, since once a film is made you pay no royalties on distribution.
One further observation: What about films you've downloaded that turned out to be broken, and unwatchable. For instance, the SLR Originals Sex Shop film has a dirty lens. Five or more of the recent films from BaberoticaVR have lens blur for one of the lenses.
I recall suggesting at one point a $10.00 tier, for either unlimited streaming or 30 downloads (and valid for only one month). That's what you need in this economy.
[deleted] at Quest 3 quality
What do you mean by this? The streaming versions of the videos and their quality are the same as before the release of Q3, aren't they?
Hairsational A lot of users aren't lifetime members or permanently subscribed
It also removes all users like myself forced to travel for at least one month of the year. I can't speak for others, but in my case it's not data hording. I download stuff, view it in high quality, and then, in most cases, delete stuff.
I didn't download the massive original files before getting Quest 3. With Quest 3 there's a visible difference between the "original files" and processed / compressed files.
Hairsational Main problem comes from users misusing recurring monthly sub instead of going non-recurring monthly.
I can't be the only person who assumed that option was there to trick folks who don't subscribe to sites like this. Most sites like this use a similar tier to catch noobs.
Whatever you do, I wouldn't advise you to increase the price in this economy. Reduce service, if that's necessary, but increasing the price will only lead to fewer users. Currently POVR is offering a very competitive plan of $15.00 per month, with some non-3D sites like ALSScan reduced to $9.99 for Black Friday. Heck, BadoinkVR is at $9.99 per month, and they have a massive library of films.
[deleted] I see. How did you watch before? It was clearly visible on Q2 too.
ZENRA What you are proposing does not shock me; if I accept I buy, if it doesn't suit me, I'll look elsewhere; for me 30 downloads every 6 days is enough: I don't do streaming and since I have a lifetime subscription, I haven't downloaded a lot (much less than 30 every 6 days); on the other hand, this must not change over time of course; I subscribed for life for 30 downloads, it must stay that way.
