Eye contact problem

sheldoncooper

One problem I noticed was that although the actress was looking at me, she was just looking in my direction and it felt like her eyes were not focused on my face, the reason could be that she was just looking at the left or right lens and not looking at the middle of the lens

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'The actress was consistently looking in between the two cameras, keeping the immersion there. Good eye contact is unfortunately not something that can be taken for granted in VR scenes even after the medium has been around for over 7 years, so just gonna have to appreciate the scenes and studios that do get it right'

HughMungus

sheldoncooper This and the distance from the camera when they are trying to kiss. When they're too far away it just looks goofy

Chlayt

sheldoncooper Huge problem for newcomers or first-timers in VR. This problem is less recurant her at SLR but it's still out there, 'Holly Day' is worst I've seen so far in terms of eye-contact despite being in a Nash scene My Dirty Laundry 3

The actress was consistently looking in between the two cameras

Looking in between the two camera lenses is nothing compared to when they mistakenly look at the male's face or at the director. For us, it feels like she's looking behind us or at our necks in some cases.

GREGORIO28

This issue is very annoying for me as well. And for many viewers. I have seen many comments about it. Currently I have started another push. It would be nice if each studio could figure out with their particular set up, where the models should look in order to maximize the eye contact effect that the viewer feels and sees. I used to think it simply was best for models to look in between the lenses. But I am not sure anymore. I still think the middle is better than any other alternative, however. But each studio needs to figure out their sweet spot and consistently pass down this information to all models it shoots with pre-scene. New models have no idea. Even new producers haven't thought about it. All viewers notice this irritation sooner or later. Once you have some time like I do, I notice it immediately and usually leave the scene promptly. But most people stick it out or don't notice, and rarely complain. Therefore this difficult issue persists. We need to start another push. I have submitted a support request to SLR CEO Alex Novak. Also VR producer from "perVRt Studio Full VR Movies" on SLR Fabio Ammirati took the time to film some helpful examples of this but I believe he should post it as viewable in a VR headset not in 2D https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/opswhyzkqg74j6zjo8uo9/VR_gaze_eye_contact_test.mp4?rlkey=495ms755cpjuzfm2wq0f21qab&dl=0
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/ama-latina-mistress-40260#comment-118976?from=notification
The link directly above is to a discussion between me and Fabio and the link two above is to his video example experiment. Hopefully Alex Novak getts involved and hopefully this issue gets the atttention it deserves. The last thing most of these girls want is to have a bad performance. They are more than willing to deliver perfect eye contact. They just need direction. But first the industry's key players need to tackle this issue. Chlayt HughMungus sheldoncooper

Singaporenewr

GREGORIO28 Thank you for the effort. Maybe many people have got tired of giving suggestions that won't be taken seriously.

alkory

This issue is specially plaguing PT/AR videos from SLR. The 2 latest PT scenes are a great example of this issue.
While this problem is quite common in their PT scenes, for some reasons some scenes are perfect (the Madison Wilde comes to my mind IIRC).

GREGORIO28

alkory This issue will continue to pop up randomly and decrease quality every time. The reason is because new models need to be told by the film crew where to look. Each studio needs to figure out the sweet spot on their setup for the model to look, and consistently give clear instructions pre-shoot. As I said, these models take pride in their performance. They are more than willing to deliver great eye contact, but awareness about this issue needs a boost and communication to new models needs to be consistent.

GREGORIO28

I've heard back from SLR support. Looks like they will be working on putting together a blog post regarding this topic and it will be published within 2-4 weeks according to the support representative. I'm going to link the support representative to this discussion for visibility. The people putting together the blog post will most likely see this discussion so let's try to give this issue our full attention right now. Now is the time I believe.

diwanga

What’s even more prevalent is the “licking and kissing my eyeballs” that happens. Shoving their nipples into my eye. Apparently I’m supposed to stimulate their pussy with my eyelashes.

Someone needs to spell it out for them - the camera operator AND actresses - that the camera is NOT where the viewer’s mouth would be.

justsomedude101

A lot of good feedback - there's always room for improvement, and agreed that it tends to be more prevalent with newbies (which can partially be addressed with clear direction, as some of you have mentioned).

One thing that do I want to mention though (since it's a challenge but rarely gets discussed) is that depending on the camera + setup when shooting VR, there is often no way to "live view" the footage in VR, or even a good way to watch footage that was already shot, at least not in a remotely timely manner.

The directors are most often watching the live feed on 2d displays, which makes it difficult to catch when an actress is having issues with eye contact.

Hairsational

justsomedude101 The directors are most often watching the live feed on 2d displays, which makes it difficult to catch when an actress is having issues with eye contact.

It does make it easy to see when the girl's head is cut off though, which somehow still seems to happen.

alphaRonaldo

Have a few suggestions how this could be solved with some active hardware/software :

Kissing distance issue:
Have a depth/distance sensor as a camera attachment(I guess VR cameras already capture this data, not sure though) and make a simple logic check if her face covers a certain area and at certain distance, it should activate let's say, KISS MODE! And during KISS MODE if it detects face distance to be beyond the sweet spot of perfect distance, it should buzz, light up, or give some ui indication to the director, cameraman or directly to the actor. The actor should be able to correct it on the fly without even opening her eyes for example, with this buzzer solution.

For the eye contact problem:
Train a lightweight AI model to flag in the same way as above, if she looks away or at a single eyepiece during KISS MODE.
In scenarios where she is further away(outside KISS MODE range), I don't think eye contact should be an issue.

As justsomedude101 mentioned, live 2d vid feed is available. Depth/distance and face area data can be taken from here.
Mind you, this has to run in real-time. Maybe someone can create a camera attachment for this.
Over time, this shouldn't be a problem at all.
That's my two cents.

justsomedude101

Hairsational It does make it easy to see when the girl's head is cut off though, which somehow still seems to happen.

If you can give me some examples/timestamps I can pass it along to the directors.

VRXVR

WOW! Just today commented on one of the videos that have this problem! +1 @sheldoncooper
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/nymphoinsomniac-37899

vrpicasso

I see the "looking at one lens" thing all the time, even with seasoned pros like https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/the-bored-roommate-37432

Can't something, like an "X" or smiley face be put between the lenses as a guide?

GREGORIO28

vrpicasso Look at the Xxlayna Marie scene by ALex Nash VRspy. at 16:24-17:06 she moves in very close to the cameras. you can see her eyes looking at the right and left lenses but never in the middle. She favors looking at the lens representing our left eye most of the time. We can see very obviously that her eyes are not looking at us, but as if she is talking to someone else who is right next to us. Then, when she moves back down to his dick, we can still notice her error but it has become much less obvious. https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/endurance-challenge-37116 16:24-!7:06 The fish eye lense shoots a wide angle and exaggerates everything in close range. We've all seen the images shown on thumbnails of a girl's face looking very weird from a frame captured when her face was 2 inches from the camera. These exagerations make it difficult to create perfect eye contact when she is in close range. I still think there is no other logical spot that is better than in between the lenses. Right or wrong, there are best practices that need to be communicated to new talent. I think studios are doing better at this but sometimes i see a lot of errors all at once and it is upsetting.

GREGORIO28

vrpicasso i totally agree with your
idea (solution).

GREGORIO28

justsomedude101 The directors are most often watching the live feed on 2d displays, which makes it difficult to catch when an actress is having issues with eye contact.
justsomedude101 It doesn't need to be something the directors waste energy trying to catch during filming. It should be something that gets explained pre shoot. Every shoot. New girl. Old girl. Doesn't matter. Give the information to her at the best possible time (pre-shoot) for it to be implemented correctly. For example. Tell her: "when the cameras are 18 inches away or less we need you to try your best to maintain eye contact here..." "when they are very close, 6 inches away, please try to look this spot. Viewer immersion will be maximized. Thank you." Now her ignorance is slayed and her confidence is soaring. She can think back to the directions given and confidently nail the scene. This is a big opportunity for studios to improve their quality. And it doesn't seem that hard.

GREGORIO28

Wearing a VR headset please follow the link below or search in the app for video id 35182. Fast forward one minute and 24 seconds. At 00:01:24 a seasoned director interrupts the shoot to explain to the 21 year old (new) star his expectations regarding where she needs to focus her eye contact during the shoot. We need this from all studios consistently. New stars arrive constantly and begin their career at random studios. It is the responsibility of all studios to recognize if they don't teach, there could be several bad-quality scenes made before the star learns. it makes everyone look bad. It hurts us as a whole and frustrates the viewer. Awareness needs a boost and after that it just takes consistency. Like our friend in this video shows. https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/candie-likes-anal-35182 ![https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/candie-likes-anal-35182](https://)

GREGORIO28

I still think about this issue all the time. I watch videos every day. where it is obvious the female. doesn't know where to look on the rig having 2 cameras. Well known directors and female performers still turn out scenes with the girl never looking us directly in the eyes. This always happens when she looks directly into a lense. XXlayna Marie and Alex Nash's "Endurance." She looks in the left lense mostly and the right lense fro the rest of the scene, but rarely in the middle. So how did the scene turn out? It's still a good scene. But to have her looking me in the eyses instead of at my ear. Wow. What a difference that would be.The new girls aren't getting this education Studios need to work together to make it known to new models. Some well knowns still don't know to th is day. . the girls should be focusing their eye contact not. at one of the lenses directly Rather they should be looking in between the lenses..,. This will make her appear to be looking at the viewer in the eyes directly. This problem will get fixed eventually, It seems like VR edging always tells their models. And a few other studios also are doing their part. If any insiders happen to read this, i wonder all the time what is said to the models about where they nshould look on the rig. I mean, they are setting up for close up mish. right? It takes some time to get ready. Do they mention to her where to look on this thing hovering six inches away from her face? If she looks directly at one lens or the other it will look terrible when we watch it in vr.. The closer she is to the rig, the more obvious the error becomes.

rerun119

GREGORIO28 The eye contact thing never bothers me but I do know it is very important to other people.
I would think it might be hard to look at a camera instead of a human. Although this generation grow up on looking into cameras so maybe it isn't hard for them.

Is it different for bloggers and youtubers because they only have to look in the middle of one lens? They always look normal to me. I would think it would be weird to talk to a camera.

The biggest thing I took away from the video you posted is the good directing. You would think the directors would be telling them all kinds of things. Like what the story is and to remember it the whole scene. Where to look the whole scene. How VR works in general. Sometimes I think the directors don't understand VR.

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