So is it confirmed only those select scenes or is Swallowbay removing their entire catalog? Not exactly surprised they're doing this, they've been making stupid decisions for the last couple years now.
Swallowbay - The content producer requests us to deactivate
I have a lifetime subscription with scripts. If I purchase some of these vids before they, will I also have to buy their associated scripts?
Everwhite1 correct. We don't market scripts if there's no video on sale
Does anyone know if scripts work on their direct site? I was signed up at one point and couldn't figure out how to stream or download scripts and their customer service was useless.
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justsomedude101
https://discuss.eroscripts.com/t/time-sensitive-31-swallowbay-videos-and-scripts-only-to-be-available-for-a-few-more-days-at-slr-oct-16th-2023/125659
Realcumber
Hi everyone - I just wanted to give you all a headsup that these 31 Swallowbay scenes (and any associated scripts) will soon be offline and no longer being able to be purchased at SLR within the next few days → Oct 16th, 2023 to be precise.
What is it? Your 20 or Realcumber's 31?
justsomedude101 how many scenes left? Do we understand a logic behind?
doublevr how many scenes left? Do we understand a logic behind?
The above are roughly 1/3 of their scenes - 60+ scenes will remain available. Believe they are removing the above scenes from all sites aside from their own paid site to keep some scenes "exclusive".
justsomedude101 that makes sense. thx
otherwise no chance they will see any money because of that. quite opposite. the time of new paysites is well gone by 2018 or so.
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Oh man, they're all gone now? I got less than 2 weeks notice - only because I check this forum. 
Downloads not possible... scripts gone.... just had my SLR annual membership renewed as well 
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doublevr highly depressing if that’s true. That aggregator sites like this have killed the industry to such a degree that new independent sites are not financially viable. That’s not a healthy position to be in, a completely stagnant industry with nothing new other than the same old sites pumping out the same old content.
petermc highly depressing if that’s true. That aggregator sites like this have killed the industry to such a degree that new independent sites are not financially viable. That’s not a healthy position to be in, a completely stagnant industry with nothing new other than the same old sites pumping out the same old content.
I don't think that is correct. If you compare to Netflix, Prime , Apple TV + etc. You have one or two big players that people keep subscribed to all the time and then you have some other smaller outfits that people generally will rotate based on the new content they have added for a month or two or based on their entertainment costs will simply disregard the smaller sites.
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theHobbit I’m not backtracking, I have no idea if it’s possible to start up your own independent site in the VR Porn space. Doublevr says that, since 2018, it’s not financially viable for new sites to work. I’m simply saying, if he is right, that’s pretty depressing.
If he is right then yes, you’re correct, it’s my own opinion that aggregator sites like SLR, POVR etc are the main cause of that. I have spoken to a VRporn site owner whose videos are on SLR and I asked him why he puts his stuff on here as that gives people zero incentive to subscribe to his site? He basically said that SLR have made it so that you have no choice, that you can’t operate on your own. He says that no one is prepared to subscribe to single studios anymore when these huge aggregator sites exist where you can get everything for one subscription. He therefore has to put the content on here to make it financially viable and the vicious circle continues then as that means no one subscribes to his site directly. Basically SLR has all the independent studios by the balls.
I don’t know if that is true either, maybe he’s just blaming others for his lack of success. It kind of makes sense to me though, what he’s saying, as why else is everyone putting all their content on here instead of keeping it exclusive to their own site?
I don’t blame SLR for doing what they do, it’s a business at the end of the day, they’re here to make money and, as far as VR porn goes, they’re pretty successful. As a consumer though I would appreciate a healthier VR porn scene with more smaller independent studios. In 2d porn there’s literally something for pretty much everyone, an almost infinite number of sites catering to every legal fetish. In VR, its pretty similar generic content being put out by a small number of studios.
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petermc He's not right though. A new site can easily succeed if they have a regular stream of reasonably good exclusive content. The only problem faced is getting some initial customers which means operating at a loss at first or building up a following on an aggregator site beforehand.
petermc ok fair play but for the consumer though its a much better deal though right?
I don't think anybody in their right mind would subscribe individually to multiple independent sites as the financial outlay would be far too much.
I think what these smaller independent outfits should think is if they go down a separate subscription route they will probably end up encouraging higher rates of piracy of their content unfortunately. The aggregator sites in my view protect from piracy.
I buy into SLR because of the aggregation but the biggest pull is SLRO.
I buy into POVR because I get an aggregation and I get MILFVR, POVR and WANKZ. I want to cancel my POVR but I can't because I have too many favourites on their flagship sites that would mean I have to invest in some expensive SSD or a cloud service. On balance it is more cost effective to stick with POVR.
Why on earth would I subscribe to VRBangers or Badoink. I would just do a mini month subscription, download what I like and then cancel. I like VRSpy but if they weren't on SLRO, I would just do a mini month sub for one month. If they limited downloads, then I would probably just not buy their service. However many people would get their product from other less ethical avenues if they did that. I just try to be more ethical about it as I think my financial outlay helps create the budget for some of the girls I want to see in VR/AR etc.
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Hairsational I don't think so, take VRSPY. Take RealJam - they blocked some exclusive content but the exclusive scenes have started to come across to the aggregators now.
- know you love my emojis lol
Also some of you have been trying to persuade VRPlayful to do that. Talking about shooting yourself in your own foot lol. Most people will not follow them if they made that decision.
theHobbit I don't think anybody in their right mind would subscribe individually to multiple independent sites as the financial outlay would be far too much.
In 2d porn though they do and the industry is much healthier for it. People do subscribe to standalone sites like Brazzers or Evilangel or Tushy or Hardx and lots of smaller sites. There are aggregator sites there like Adult time but they’re not like SLR/POVR in that they don’t have everything by the sites they feature, just a select few scenes, usually pretty old ones. You have to subscribe to the actual site to see their whole catalogue and all their new stuff.
You only have to look at how musicians struggle now that people just pay 9.99 a month to Apple Music and have access to pretty much every album they’d ever want rather than have to buy individual albums. They make little or no money on records now and have to tour constantly to stay afloat or need to have second jobs. Great for us perhaps but eventually it will just become not worth it for most bands (except the likes of Taylor Swift/Beyoncé) to make new music or at least put any great time or effort into it.
I personally do subscribe to other sites like Realjam, Porncorn and sometimes SinsVR, even though I don’t need to as they put all their scenes on SLR. I do this as they shoot regular anal content and I want to financially support that so they continue to exist as it is so rare elsewhere. I also occasionally go to DarkroomVR, Virtual Taboo, CzechVR just when they build up a few scenes that I want to watch. I used to subscribe to Fuckpass too before they started on the Canon 8K camera and messed up their content.
I think the issue you bring up with VRPlayful is that they seem to maybe want to push things a bit more hardcore and have indicated that they’re concerned about SLR’s super strict compliance (another troubling issue when one site has so much power, everyone else has to tailor their content to what SLR allow). They were worried they’d have to make cuts to their recent Veronica Leal scene but thankfully managed to get it through. The suggestion was that they’re not sure what they’re allowed to do or they may have gone a bit further with that scene.
People (like me) were just suggesting that, rather than censor themselves, they could send an edited version to SLR which passes compliance and makes the scene financially viable but then find another avenue to release the uncut version and make a bit extra on the side. That could be their own site which, if it was successful, could eventually lead to them being able to go out on their own and stop giving scenes away on SLR.
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Starting your own website in 2023 is so incredibly easy, web-hosting is a lot more affordable now and CDNs are highly available to provide the fastest download speeds around the globe.
If they do not have enough customers then it's likely an issue with one of a few things imo:
- Price
- Not enough new videos
- Low quality videos <-- so many studios!
- Marketing
Buying access to an aggregator like SLR is great for customers, not only financially but having the choice of content - discovering studios you never knew existed.