How do we make SLR cool?

rerun119

justsomedude101 Or this is also. The point being immersion is the thing that only VR can do. Every one of us were blown away the first time we saw VR porn. You make the most immersive things you can and people won't be able to resist.

MickyCheese

I like the "shorts" idea that focuses on a specific position (missionary, cowgirl, etc.).
Although, I'd prefer the "shorts" be at least 3 mins long so that we can fully enjoy the position (from beginning to end).

This will save a ton of disk space for me because I usually skip to the parts that I think are interesting.

I'd recommend releasing all 'shorts' from a scene together so that users don't have to wait for the parts they're interested in and start building their own journey asap.

Build-Your-Own-Journey is a cool way to customize the experience for each user and it can be even more immersive if we can personalize the audio using AI (overdub and change lip movement to match the sentence I want the performer to say using software like this: ).

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doublevr Tubes have much better retention than VR porn.

Because they are free and full of frebies from companies forced to support them. SLR is a site for high-quality porn for middle-class (and lower middle-class) tech geeks. Tubes are for shift workers and delivery boys who run to the loo for a quick one during their breaks and have nothing but a cellphone. If VR tech decreases in price you'd have more viewers. If you put a little investment into Deo for Cardboard you could earn a little extra before the next generation of VR devices.

MickyCheese

On another tangent, VR porn is like entering a new reality. The immersion is what hooks people in and will help SLR improve retention rates (just look at the gaming industry where simple indie games outperform AAA titles because they offer a more immersive and enjoyable gaming experience).

Here are some things that'll make VR porn even more immersive and as addictive as crack:

Evolving from 3 degrees of freedom (pitch, yaw, and roll) to 6 or 12 degrees of freedom. This is impossible to capture with a single VR camera setup, but should be doable with multiple VR cameras (placed in a dome formation).
Resolving camera scaling issues so that actors and sets appear like they're 1:1 scale. This should be easy to solve by matching scale using a reference object or using the performer as a reference.
Personalizing scene dialogue and audio to get the performer to say anything that the user wants. This can be achieved with AI models/software available today.
Capture intimate angles comparable to real sex (e.g. Alex Nash's Closeup Missionary and Leaning-in cowgirl shots).
Casting performers that people want to see and casting them in the right scene formats (the casting director you had in 2021 was awesome at this).

sheldoncooper

MickyCheese yes this is what we want, how is slr 6dof like?

doublevr

MickyCheese while the tech is progressing on its own, making things cool is out of tech. The same way like TikTok, Facebook, Twitter and all the social networks are nothing like interacting in real world. Instagram, Youtube and everything are creating another layer on top of real to make things exciting rather than real.

Porn is anything but real.

Current tech is enough, we just want to pack it right.

Getting all the VR videos, dropping compliance and making SexLikeReal free might make it much more popular than it's now, but someone would have to fund millions of dollars operation. No ads is going to cover that

hhigh88

sheldoncooper I think going for a big change is very risky. Look at Dezyred, I don't think that concept is doing very well tbh.

I would focus on 6DOF and immersion in general. One of the unique features of VR is that you can look around 360 degrees and move with controllers.

There are almost no scenes that make use of 360 let alone 180. Most of the action is still in front of you with limited flexibility to move. I would recommend to focus on 6 DOF and useage of the full 360 or 180.

Vrsumo2017

I want bts content
Also I've said this before but vrp needs more engaging videos beside sex, examples would be
Going on a date with a hottie or two, have them sitting, talking and eating and the viewer can sit and eat like they on the date too.

Also need exercise videos
My exercise bike idea that I requested which no one has done yet, have a hottie on a exercise bike have a vr camera behind her like I'm sitting on a exercise bike too and she instructing looking hot mean while I'm actually on my exercise bike going along working out with this hottie or a room full of hotties for like 20 to 30 minutes.

Or you could even ride on actual bikes on a bike ride with a few hotties.

Hell..take me on a walk with a hottie on a beach or something.

I already mentioned dancing, get up and dance with a hottie or room full. 😏🕺💃

There's this hottie on YouTube who goes to drive thrus and orders food and eats in her car, talks about the food and random shit, I thought to my self it be cool to drive along with her as the passenger. And of course she looking hot as Fuck

I mentioned before going to actual strip clubs, I could sit and enjoy the scenery drink a few beers watch the hotties strip. Could do male strip clubs too for the lady's or men 🤷‍♂️

Could do more bikini lingerie try ons, or clothes

I comment before that "cooking with Nathan" would be cool in vr.

I mean there's so much that can be done in vr and on a adult level, fuck...have a hottie sitting bedside reading me a bed time storie.

Show me sum hotties in a lingerie fight.
Nadia White is wrestling, vr footage of that would be cool sitting ring side.

These pornstars have other talents besides looking hot and having sex, show us that side.

Man ima have to dig up that comment I wrote high as fuck talking about vrp needs to be more then just sex and its needs it own identity or verse and I'd call it "The PornaVRse🌌

Oh and we need to bring back vr at the adult expos, like the avn awards and xbiz. Bts, interviews and the superstars.

Also I'd like to be fan on set during a porn shoot. Could be during a vr shoot or 2d, imagine being on set during a blacked.com or brazzers production.

There's a lot that can be done in vr but on a adult level. 👍

Lol I had this idea, have a room full of people sitting painting a naked person and the viewer could be the person they painting. It be a circle of people and you in the middle, would of worked good in 360 vr.

Vrsumo2017

Vrsumo2017 have a hottie sitting bedside reading me a bed time storie.

This be pertty good as an intro, bedtime story didn't help me sleep so we try something else 😏

Vrsumo2017

doublevr We really want to come up with new formats like Youtube and TikTok did that is greatly different from conventional media.

You heard of calfvr
https://www.oculus.com/experiences/app/9247201272016754/?utm_source=oculus&utm_medium=share

Something like that be cool but on a adult level.

petergriff

justsomedude101 Dezyred is a good example, even if imho the execution was very poor. Execute it better, make it into a true VR gaming experience, and that would be pretty big.

Dezyred has been such a consistent disappointment, especially because they're the only ones operating in that space at the moment.

They got it right with their first game and then ran as far as they could in the other direction. The whole game was two girls, one house, but you spent so much time interacting with the two of them it made the eventual sex a lot more rewarding. When I see a woman in a scene, I already know I'm going to see them fuck. I'm willing to wait for it. Spending time with them, doing things together, joking or teasing with them, making them feel like real characters, that's the good stuff that got ignored in their newer games.

That's always my answer whenever one of these "what can we do better" threads pops up; set-ups, stories, context, immersion. It feels like modern directors are terrified to spend more than 30 seconds of runtime on anything other than sex. I want different genres, directing styles, concepts. There's a lot of ground that 2D porn has been covering for years and years that still hasn't even been attempted in VR.

doublevr

petergriff my biggest surprise is that we haven’t got any single movie that would be huge and would make people buy headset. It means the problem is in the format I guess. It just has to be different

Kolaches

doublevr That's because many scenes feel like they're just cranked out with no real heart or care. Need to put all our heart and soul into making a great experience and eventually it will be something you can't miss out on. Marketing can then give a taste or previews of that to really hook people in and have them take the plunge.

SchnuppiLilac

doublevr If you have never seen a VR porn video before and have no idea what you're missing, how can you check it out nowadays before spending a substantial amount on proper equipment? The SLR get started guidance says: Buy a Q2! I would not have done that without even knowing what to expect, while I was okay with spending 30 bucks on some phone headset.

thatoculusdude

One thing that I love about you guys is that you're not "SomethingSomethingVR." You're "SexLikeReal." Period. You're not constrained by VR, even if your customer base is full of people who came here to enjoy VR content.

To me, "Sex Like Real" should be about (1) touch, (2) immersion/control, and (3) intimacy/mind games. No. 1 is already covered by funscripts (3D, 2D), 2 is VR and expanded to BYOJ so that content does not feel "robotic" and scripted + passthrough, of course, and 3 is tough. Maybe it's time to delve into videogames? (be EXTREMELY cautious here) Or having models offer content and 1-1 time with customers á la OnlyFans? Or offering custom content? (Eve Sweet already sells custom VR vids on her OF), or maybe explore with some GPT models to create virtual waifus for real now? (https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/multicam-virtual-waifu-with-skylar-vox-14892).

IDK...

doublevr

thatoculusdude that’s the plan now 👍️
ChatGPT is in works. Plenty of stuff is happening there.

Still we have to figure out how to pack it right. Getting product oriented CMO would be really cool

Rustam1990

SLR can stand out from other western VR sites by doing/advertising these:

SLRO: Longer scenes with story. SLRO is the only studio still routinely (albeit somewhat a decreased frequency) release 1h+ long scenes. Vanilla scenes = better to watch 2D porn. Good pairing of actresses which SLRO is doing quite well already.
Related to above, storylines/series of scenes. Even better if subscribers can have a say in it. Like a proper version of Dezyred. SLRO's Getaway series, Blake's Magazine and Modern Relationship (and hopefully the Euro series by Nash later this year) are good starting points.
Nail intimacy, try out different things. Body worship, spit exchange, face/ear licking, caressing, (post-orgasm) cuddling. These are intimate, immersive things that are surprisingly not seen in western VR porn frequently.
Allow more user-suggested scenes. Not saying every scene should be that but at least give us subscribers a bit of say.
The SLR website is good but please get rid of the "beta" warning whenever I try to access it. More timely presentation of previews and upcoming scenes (right now it is good, 5 on the queue with some much-anticipated Euro scenes later this month). There should be a large banner on the main SLRO website to show off the latest scenes (like in VRB).

doublevr

Rustam1990 we did all of that.
it's nowhere crazy as Tiktok

doublevr

Rustam1990 Nail intimacy, try out different things. Body worship, spit exchange, face/ear licking, caressing, (post-orgasm) cuddling. These are intimate, immersive things that are surprisingly not seen in western VR porn frequently.

There have to be creators making these. It’s near impossible to do it cool without someone being deep into it.

Allow more user-suggested scenes. Not saying every scene should be that but at least give us subscribers a bit of say.
It’s up for producers. They are doing really poor job on that. I’d wish there would be more producers around better engaging with community. These scenarios are really cool

The SLR website is good but please get rid of the "beta" warning whenever I try to access it. More timely presentation of previews and upcoming scenes (right now it is good, 5 on the queue with some much-anticipated Euro scenes later this month). There should be a large banner on the main SLRO website to show off the latest scenes (like in VRB).

Going to fix that. Otherwise you should really try streaming slr with the DeoVR app

thatoculusdude

doublevr to me, that happens because there are a TON of content creators out there. From a thousand, if only one gets big and innovates, the platform will improve overall.

I don't know if there's a barrier to entry, like equipment for VR, or creators not knowing that they can script their vids for sex toys, IDK, but there's got to be something you guys could do to drive fresh, amateur GIRLS (not the standard producer) to put content and interact with the community.

yangbodyn

doublevr I don't think the goal should be to become tiktok, it is a completely different business model
This is porn, once guys are done they stop watching so retention is not gonna be the same

For marketing, I'd make 3-5 great videos free to watch, then advertise this

If you care about retention (not sure why), look at the edging videos, those probably do well in terms of viewtime I imagine:
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/precum-from-the-edge-with-latex-nurse-31800
https://www.sexlikereal.com/studios/vredging?sort=most_favorite

metichemsi

Man, what a tough thing to try and solve. Having experienced the coming and going of the 3D "fad" many years ago, it's definitely hard to be objective without drawing from past experience. VR is still widely considered a niche, and of course VR porn would then be a niche within a niche in my opinion. It's going to be hard to attempt to grow the overall VR user base when you are merely a niche within a niche. It's not impossible but it will definitely be like swimming against the current.
I would focus on growing your niche within the niche you belong in first, general VR users. Estimates for 2023 show that there are roughly 60 million headsets out in the wild.

What is your current penetration of that market? (pardon the pun)
Obviously not all 60 million may be active, a lot of people probably own multiple headsets, regardless, at best you have 60 million potential VR users at worst, a lot less, for the sake of argument I would say that it can be as low as 30-40 million individual owners, some having multiple headsets.
How many subscribers do you currently have? Are you in the thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions? I have no idea and perhaps you have already shared some of this insight before, but if I were to guess, I would say probably tens of thousands? Maybe over 100k users?
Unless I am grossly underestimating the number of users you have then that would be a very low "penetration" of the overall VR user base. Also, a lot of users may be underage, how many? Hard to tell, I found a survey from 2022 that said 17% of users under 18 years of age owned a VR headset and at least 1/4 of tweens had at least tried VR out. The actual numbers could be very different, I personally think more than 20% of total VR users are under 18, specially since Meta lowered the age requirement from 13 to 10, I think they are trying to grow their long term userbase sooner by allowing younger children to come into their eco system.
Anyways, my point is that I highly doubt you have saturated the total adult VR userbase, even if half the projected VR users were to be underage, that would still be anywhere from 15-30 million potential adult VR users (estimates based on my previous estimates above) So unless you tell us that you do have several million active subscribers I would say your main focus is to target more adult VR users because you have not saturated the market enough to try and move on to bigger and more innovative things.
I love your innovations and strides to further the tech, but realize that your are digging yourself further and further into deeper niches that only your already existing user base will be aware of and appreciate, like those of us who are huge fans of your PT developments over the past couple of months. It's a super niche audience.

I personally don't even remember how i even stumbled upon your website and I have been consuming porn for a long time and have been using VR since the oculus DK1 days, I personally think you need to work on your marketing and target more active adult VR users. Sure some will simply not be interested in porn but some will, I dont know what type of conversion is considered successful in porn or VR porn for that matter, but if you can at least convert 5-10% of your targeted audience, it should be a win. I would strongly recommend focusing on using social media and clever content creators to help drive more users using an affiliate program. OnlyFan models do it all the time and seem to be quite successful at it, I cant tell you how many times I have come across a beautiful girl on tiktok doing some eye catching content only to realize she was just marketing herself on the platform and by the number of followers their tiktok accounts I had, I can only imagine how many users they were gaining with that strategy even if their conversion was only in the 5-10%. I personally never come across any advertisement for your site anywhere online, maybe im not your typical user but I would never know about your service. The closest thing I would probably come across as a regular VR user would be your DeoVR app and even then, I would have no idea the company is tied to SLR in any way.

So that would be my biggest recommendation.

metichemsi

Or offer Belle Delphine a boat load of cash for a scene. Everyone has a price, get her and THEY will CUM

Seriously, you guys should experiment with the content structure a little more, do non POV VR stuff, lean a little more on the creativity side, experiment with that not jus the tech. VR porn seems very rigid and structured right now.

Imagine if you had Belle Delphine and let her make some creative decisions on the shoot, so it's not just a POV fuck, but give her some free reign to do some of her lunacy in a non POV format but shot in VR, giving us the experience of being a floating head around her and up-close as she interacts with us and herself. Then you can also shoot your POV scene, but I would personally probably enjoy the other stuff more. It's like the old saying that people would rather watch great content on lower resolution than shit content on the highest resolution. It's all about the content and engagement and right now the engagement part of VR Porn is very stiff in my opinion (pardon the pun) Very repetitive and the only variance really is just what model it's this time all the positions and sequence of events are pretty much always recycled.

Get someone truly entertaining and engaging and with a following and give them some creative freedom along with your standard sex scene before or after and I bet you will have a winner.

Kolaches

metichemsi if they collab with Belle Delphine that would literally break the internet and spike quest 2 sales all over the world lol

Vrsumo2017

metichemsi Belle Delphine

If not then we could cosplay Demi Hawks to look like Belle and do the ahegao face 👍

Docbear64

I think I found Sex Like Real after I discovered VR porn on the Quest 1 which lead me to the Handy and the Handy listed SLR as one of their primary partners .

I think the biggest way to increase interest in SLR would be to add Previews that people unfamiliar with VR Porn can stumble upon . Is it possible to put video intros that have pretty girls clothed and leading up to the sex On Youtube or another website ? is it possible To post A weekly free video that anyone can access here on SLR ? For Members and the curious alike?

Porn is a unique media in that I think most people consume it only when they are horny or bored looking to get horny . So the thing is you have to give their horny bored, curiosity a taste and hope they make SLR their go-to place for VR porn content.

It only took a few VR porn videos before I became super interested in VR Porn in general and I think A lot of VR Porn is still relatively unknown .

I think the SLR + Handy ( or your new haptic device) messaging should be much more pronounced. Having someone like Karma RX or some other smokeshow stroke a cucumber for a minute straight while making some sexy ASMR noises and light dirty talk , have Real Cucumber script that , show a Handy or other device moving along with the strokes in a Youtube video and I think you'll stoke a lot of curiosity if that pops up online.

I feel like the weirdest thing about VR Porn is how quiet the notion of " feeling the girls" you watch is to the general public. I've been watching porn for a long ass time and how many times have I fantasized how it would be to fuck a pornstar and SLR has a portal where you can do that to hundreds of women as often as you like ? I think this is kind of a criminally undersold aspect of SLR and Haptic VR porn in general .

Granted I know the moment that message gets out there the media outrage will be INSANE but also let's be real how often have people been outraged publically and stroking their dicks privately?

doublevr

Docbear64 good points. We definitely can do better job making SLR better discoverable.

I have big hopes for our flat effort as it both makes SLR content and tech available for smartphone users and also brings all the abundant flat content to VR users. Handy connectivity is crucial there. Also will be releasing OnlyFans functionality soon along with smartphone streaming option for those girls inside headset and on smartphones

I don’t think we should use other platforms to promote SLR the same like TikTok isn’t using Youtube for that. We might actually have some tube uploads for fun.

We can have many thoughts inventing this or that. Right now my strategy would be to consolidate current assets like flat production, script creators, etc.

mebejoe

doublevr . While we are doing all the cool tech things it has to be content winning hearts and souls

Indeed.

Voice controlled interactive would be way cool. For example, the performer asks what the viewer wants to see next and then does what the viewer says.

Haptics that stimulate more than just genitals would be very good and immersive as well.

Discovering and producing great new performers would be cool.

Adult games? I don't play many games--would they increase engagement? I've tried a couple on steam and they suck. They would need to be very good.

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I agree; however, this type of content, which you'll find a lot of through VRAllure, removes the elements of striptease that are always fun. The key to a good story is that it takes the viewer forward through various stages of disclosure and reveal.

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