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SchnuppiLilac Alex Coal also had a traumatic experience with him which is why she has never shot for WankzVR since. I think they’ve now removed her scene. It was her bringing that experience publicly to light last year (the scene was years earlier and Wankz took no notice of her back then) that caused them to finally sack him.

To hire a known abuser to direct scenes for his “sexual wellness” site would be a horrendously ill-judged move and would demonstrate that he has no regard for the models who work for his company and without whom this business does not exist. To even publicly admit that he’s having a conversation with him about the prospect of hiring him is just so depressing to hear.

    sheldoncooper who’s “we”? Don’t include me in your statement.

    I want good porn yes but it’s not all I want. I also want the incredible women who provide us with so much joy and entertainment to be treated with respect and looked after.

    petermc Basically then I’m looking for the VR porn experience to be me in a porn movie fucking pornstars like pornstars fuck. Deepthroat blowjobs, anal sex, hard fucking, filthy dirty talk etc. Whereas others (and I’m not necessarily including you in this) seem to want the VR experience to be them imagining that this is their real girlfriend. They don’t want her to be too slutty or too much like a porn performer, they want a pretend girlfriend.

    This is a really good point and is one of the reasons why it's useless using things like view time as a metric for deciding if pass through is good or not. It may be that the PT viewers go straight to the action and get their business done quick. Then there are others who seem to want to be in a relationship and take their time to finish.

    The insinuation being that low watch time equates to people not necessarily enjoying PT.

    This is why I agree with @doublevr Number of likes is the most reliable metric.


      petermc This pretty well encapsulates the way i feel about VR porn. I don't want to imagine these beautiful girls in my shitty 1 bdr condo, i want to imagine myself in their fantasy world.

        theHobbit both view time and likes are good. we just show likes publically. it's more or less the same

        doublevr but once you put the guy in the gimp suit, the cgi background won’t solve anything. It works here to some degree and could be a decent option if the cgi hopefully could be perfected even more but that’s because the guy is there. If he’s in the grey suit, it would look stupid.

        doublevr Going to message https://twitter.com/MrLifestyles tomorrow. Let's see where it goes

        If you’re looking for new directors, you could also try tapping up “@billywatson3”.

        In my experience he’s a top, top bloke, gets a lot of great talent, does some awesome behind the scenes interviews, and shoots everything POV style (2D only though as far as I know)

        If he could be persuaded to get into VR, it would be a good thing 🙂.

        doublevr you can have both

        No, you actually can't. It might be good AR porn but it's mediocre VR porn at best. And time is too precious for mediocre porn.

        doublevr I wasn't aware that watersports is allowed again on SLR, my apologies. How about family taboo terms in scene titles?

          My thoughts

          1. You cannot hire Jimmy, aka the Harvey Weinstein of porn, that would be commercial and ethical suicide and would be the worst marketing mistake in your history by a huge margin. Hopefully that was a bad joke.

          2. AR means augmented reality, and can apply to 2d. VR means virtual reality. Passthrough is both AR (real world is incorporated into the image) and VR (2 independent images shown to replicate perception of the real world). The terms are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps we should be using the term "AVR" - Augmented Virtual Reality?

          3. The comparison to the early days of NA are to show that developments in technology often meet strong resistance and there is an inability in many to see how the tech might evolve into something worthwhile. Early VR was dog shit. Early passthrough was dog shit. It has improved. Passthrough now is where VR porn was in 2016. You have to go through this stage of development to achieve a desirable outcome. Some of us enjoy PT, I'd say most would at least concede that the idea has promise.

          4. Passthrough may technically be VR but it is an entirely different beast from regular VR because you remove any pretence of context. It's JUST THE PORN. No location, no romance or mystery. It's like comparing an action movie to a UFC match - they both feature fighting but in the movie we understand why.

          5. Because of (4) a creative director like Alex Nash is wasted on passthrough, which is at heart a technical exercise. And worse, you would be alienating your talent instead of nurturing them. Again, to continue the metaphor, you'd be hiring Martin Scorsese to direct UFC. Please accept that PT is a massively technical endeavor, because it's falling short on the technical side above all. Stunt cock in the wrong place, scaling, masking, light, all that should be worked on now.

          6. While UFC has its place, you're trying to be the Netflix of porn, not ESPN. So the full VR experience with locations and context should, I think, continue to be the main focus. Tech companies can get distracted from their core mission. Innovation is fun! But it's important to balance innovation with tried and tested products which are loved by your audience. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But, your innovations are also your USP, so please do continue your great work with PT and scripts etc.

          Thanks for all your efforts, most of us do appreciate it.

            vrpicasso

            vrpicasso The comparison to the early days of NA are to show that developments in technology often meet strong resistance and there is an inability in many to see how the tech might evolve into something worthwhile. Early VR was dog shit.

            The other thing about that comparison to early days of NA is that when they heavily invested in it, they made it a separate subscription long before the VR vids became 50% or more of new releases. They didn't mock their customers and tell them to deal with it, and they didn't allow trolls in their discussion boards to do so, either.

            Also, your point number 4 cannot be overstated. It may "technically" be VR (though I don't agree), but it is so dissimilar that acting as if you are selling the same product when you replace one with the other is just insulting to customers.

            I think they don't want to make it a separate studio because they know that it really isn't in demand yet, and want to keep the VR subscribers paying for it - which is fairly unethical and why the argument persists. And the PT users who don't want it split into another studio do it for selfish reasons too - they like it, but don't want to pay an additional sub for it (or replace the VR sub with it). Instead they both argue that AR is the "future" of VR porn - it isn't. VR didn't put flat porn out of business, nor will it any time soon. AR is not going to make VR obsolete, either. Or they argue that AR is essentially the same - it isn't, as you did an explemplary job explaining above. Or they tell us to satisfy ourselves with all of the past releases that outnumber the newer passthrough stuff - as if we subscribed for the back catalog.

            Either way, it feels like the company is dealing the longtime VR subs dirty. The gripes are legitimate, and there should be some reasonable, serious attention paid to them. Instead, they seem to enjoy trolling and rubbing our noses in it.

            Internet culture, I guess - but not a very ethical or honorable way to run a business.

              LordCrash it's not censoring. It's compliance.

              Otherwise we are loosing it recently

              doublevr Generaly I refrain for posting any negative commentary here, but for once I seriously hope that you will reconsider the decision with MrLifesyles. You can not brand your company as Sexual Wellness and bring someone with a background like his. This is a very bad signal, and something that in no point I want to be part of it.

              Wendigo

              Wendigo And the PT users who don't want it split into another studio do it for selfish reasons too - they like it, but don't want to pay an additional sub for it (or replace the VR sub with it).

              There are many studios who specialise in VR only, you could sub to those studios too right? Maybe you are the one being selfish.

              Also, I think you completely miss the point why PT fans need both PT content and VR content in the same place ideally with the same women in both scene formats. This is what makes SLR great.