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petermc The good old days 😉

I have to say though that SLR does see that a quality cast (popcorn & butter) and higher quality scenes + cast and storyline, costumes, etc. (Raw taboo , sexual alchemy) do very well.

They have tried harems but often with B- stars, not very interactive and a general lack of quality (both in video quality as well as storyline, costumes, background, etc.).

Hopefully they are exploring and see that low quality 1-on-1 scenes mostly stick around up to 2k in likes and harems are also not what they expected. Maybe they should explore the middle (fffm, ffffm) and instead of more models go for a-levels models, a good storyline, surroundings, etc. 💪💪💪🤞

    It doesn’t have to be multiple girls for me, not all at once anyway. A top pornstar with a decent storyline would be great. Not even anything too creative, just mix up locations a bit. You could meet in a hotel bar, she chats you up, slips her room key in your pocket and flashes you some tits or pussy on the way out.

    You then follow her to the elevator and she can’t even wait to get to her room, hits the emergency stop button in the elevator, drops to her knees and starts blowing you. Then you fuck her against the wall for a bit before you decide to go to the hotel room where the sex starts up again.

    Most importantly though, concentrate on getting the camera angles and sex positions looking as good as they possibly can instead of just trying to make things easy and efficient by keeping the camera static in one place for as many positions as possible. Treat it as a piece of art that you want to look perfect rather than something you do in the least amount of time possible.

    I think the big problem with SLRO is that they do not (and maybe never did) have any identity or aesthetic to call their own. For most (if not all) other studios, you at least pretty much know what you are going to get with each release. They are consistent.

    For example, when I see that a model I like has shot a VREdging scene, I know exacly what that will be like. I know that it is going to be in one of two rooms, that the model will be A to A- level, that it will be BG, what angles the director uses, how the scene will be lit, what positions they will generally transition through. Their rig could use some updating, but that is a small quibble. If DeepInSex is shooting a scene, ditto. I know the room, the couch, the chair. I know the models will be A+ to A-, that it will be BG, and the lighting, angles, and positions are pretty set - as well as how they coach to girls to act. If it's BaDoink, I know that the models are A to B+, that it will be BG, that they will start with a tease and moce to the massage table, and that the lighting, camera angles, and positions are predictable. Same with LethalHardcore, DarkRoomVR, etc. The foundational stuff is almost never in question with these studios.

    When I see that a model has shot for SLRO, I have no idea WTF I am going to get, but I usually hold my breath that they don't screw it up. Will it be a professional crew, or an incompetent one? Will it be a new director trying out his "new visions"? Will the lighting suck? Will the camera angles suck? Will it be BG, or BGG, or BGGGA? Will it be an old/young scene, or mashing two different body aesthetics together? Will the girl be a sapace alien? What positions will the girls shoot? For how long? Will it be intimate GFE, or will it be over-the-top gonzo "fuck my teen pussy harder" nonsense the entire time? Will it be VR, or gimmicky AR? A nice set, or a poorly lit warehouse? Will the scale be normal, or huge? Will the camera be too close, or too far? Will the post-production crew do a good job, or will there be inexplicable errors in sound or cuts?

    For a professional studio, these are issues that should have been settled LONG ago. They seem to think this means they are "innovating", but this is not innovation. It is chaos. They don't seem to have any idea what they want to do in VR besides make money and dominate the market. They don't have a creative vision - they solicit things from the forum users. That is one of the reasons that vrfanservice has conflicts here - he stated on reddit that he "doesn't think it’s a good idea to let the “20 or so forum regulars” dictate all of the shoots as it’s becoming their personal spank bank with very limited ideas being thrown out". They don't have a casting aesthetic, they just farm that out to the forums as well. And that's what we get these days: ideas from the loudest people on the forums, with their favorite models, with directors and crews filming them however they please (as log as they rub their armpits on the camera lens for at least five minutes).

    When I subscribe to a real studio and they book an actress, I know that they are going to get the "BaDoink treatment". or the VREdging treatment, etc. When SLR books someone, I only know two things:

    1. There is a really good chance that they are going to screw up some fundamental that they should not still be screwing up in 2023.
    2. They are likely to pick a set-up/composition that turns off at least 50% of their users, in the name of "making something for everybody".

      Will65 It's awfully silent from the SLR side whereas I believe there is some very valuable feedback in this chat. Apparently this is something that is bothering quite some users.

      Any ideas to build an own identity while keeping the forum alive? I don't think the two have to stand in each other's way.

          hhigh88 It's awfully silent from the SLR side whereas I believe there is some very valuable feedback in this chat

          We read through pretty much everything on the forum, admittedly some posts & comments more thoroughly than others depending on the volume of everything.

          There is some good feedback in this thread that we can take to the production teams, so thanks as always to those contributing. There is also some feedback that is not really actionable, for example comments regarding Passthrough content (as we have no plans to stop producing Passthrough scenes).

              Will65 I think the big problem with SLRO is that they do not (and maybe never did) have any identity or aesthetic to call their own.

              Exactly. Subscribing one year at SLR is a lottery because maybe you like what they do today, and next month they change completely and forget about what they did before. They said it was going to be "a sum", but it is not true, they forget the previous content, and they start doing experiments that do not interest many people.

              They also rarely keep their promises. I signed up in August last year because they said "next week" they would start releasing the first SLR JAV Originals, and here we are. A year later, my subscription is coming to an end, and no sign of Japanese girls. It's an unfulfilled promise that has been going on for 3 or 4 years now.

              It could be compensated with the SLR Originals, but in the last few months the quality of the movies and girls has plummeted, I've downloaded almost none.

              The only thing that has been worth it to me are the movies from other studios, if it were for the SLR Originals content, it doesn't make up for the subscription. And if we're talking about the main reason for my subscription, SLR JAV Originals, it's to feel ripped off.

              In fact now that Japanese studios are already releasing 8K movies, SLR JAV Originals has already lost its main advantage, which was the image quality. Now that Japanese movies look the same as Western movies, SLR JAV Originals are not going to bring me anything better than the ones already in Japan, watching the titles they have released with Melody Marks and Hazel Moore, full of clothes and with the camera far away.

                  Natch yep, this is a perfect example of @Will65 his point. Some people in the forum request JAV and then they start experimenting with JAV. People request Harem, Ebony, etc. then we start exploring with Ebony.

                  I think it makes wayyyy more sense to build an identity around channels and create teams that are really good at that particular genre and get better at it.

                  You see many pornsites doing this. Why not stucturally build SLR - passthrough, SLR - Grande, SLR - Ebony, etc. channels and focus on a few at first. The other genres you buy in bulk from other producers.

                  Then at least you know they are really good at those things + they have a other more to offer. Now it is like a restaurant with way toooo many dishes on the menu. In general you know not all dishes wi be good and you skip to a restaurant with a smaller menu known for it's good and fresh seafood 😉

                      justsomedude101 thanks for the reaction. It is not about stopping passthrough. It's about creating focus and become really good at some things and not the constant experimentation and general lack of quality assurance.

                      Please continue with passthrough and become really really good and known for it. Create a separate passthrough channel and then pick something else you become really good at. Take the Vixen websites for example. They pick a genre, a quality standard, create channels (separate websites in their case) and they become widely known for their expertise and quality. That's a vision and a very strong one in my opinion.

                        id love to see SLR make a top quality scene that has some fear, sexiness, and everything that entails the whole Succubus scenarios that i wrote about. If anyone had seen Semen Demons, the ideas they made with the intro sex scenes and having the actresses swap in and out with creepy background noises sounding like whispers of demons in our head. Those kinds of scenes man i really would love to see that investment into the story. 😈 along with all the other scene ideas like the demon nun and cosplay video game scenarios too

                        hhigh88 Now it is like a restaurant with way toooo many dishes on the menu.

                        I made this exact same analogy in a conversation with @Mutiny a few months back on this same topic. Plenty of people see it this way, but they are making enough money on the low standards people that they ignore it.

                        Natch The only thing that has been worth it to me are the movies from other studios, if it were for the SLR Originals content, it doesn't make up for the subscription.

                        When I subbed, it was actually the opposite: I didn't care for the overwhelming majority of the other studios on the site, but I really liked SLRO and their scripts. Frankly, I can get pretty much any of this stuff stuff on the seven seas without subbing anywhere, and I can get scenes scripted if I want it bad enough. I have over 6TB of VR porn, with something like 500+ matching scripts, so it's not like I'm going to run out any time soon. I really subbed to SLR because I liked what they were doing with Originals and the matching scripts, and I really wanted to support them. I'm sad to say that I've regretted that investment pretty hard over the last few years, especially the way they have swung every which way with Originals and ruined a best-in-class product in the process. As others have said, I haven't bothered with many of the Originals lately. I check to see what new has been scripted, what VREdging and DeepInSex are up to, and mourn the glory days of Originals. @doublevr acts like we are ungrateful malcontents and talks crap about our criticisms without seeming to consider that we can get any of this content for free, but we sub here because we want to support a quality product. Instead, we either get a lot of empty promises, or we get talked down to.

                              Will65 One of the most helpful things you (and everyone) can do would be to comment what you do like, whether here in the forum or (preferably) on individual scene pages that stand out to you as "A+" for whatever reason, whether that's casting/performance/setting/plot/whatever. And I don't just mean in this thread or in response to this comment, I mean as an ongoing, day-to-day practice.

                              Sharing criticisms/complaints can be helpful, but without a "frame of reference" their value (in terms of us being able to actually utilize that feedback) is pretty limited.

                                  Will65 can relate to this. I'm also looking forward to the VRedging and DeepinSex scenes and still like some of the SLR originals that come out. I think expectations regarding for instance the harems, etc. were too high and the quality was terrible.

                                  Something SLR has to recover from as well. I now have a NaughtyAmerica and POVR subscription on the side as I do not want to leave SLR yet.

                                  @justsomedude101 , @doublevr , really hope you can take our feedback into account and focus om some grand high quality productions again. As mentioned, I would highly advice to create a new channel or even a new studio for this. Build that out slowly so people know what to expect from that particular studio / channel and the team can become good at quality assurance.

                                      hhigh88 @Will65 Hopefully Nash is trying to do this. If he only makes what you are talking about maybe one every 2 or 3 weeks at first. Then he will have the top 10 highest rated scenes on this site.

                                          rerun119 Agree, would be great if Nash could focus on that. He can also bring the expertise to get tot the required quality. Hopefully he will get the budget, etc. to do this. Would be great to see a high quality FFFM or FFFFM scene with proper storyline, a-stars, high-end lingerie etc every 2-3 weeks.

                                            hhigh88 these types of group scenes have dried up in general lately. I can see why but it's a bit disappointing. Not saying it's the "best" genre, but it's my personal fav.

                                                123jd123 It's my favorite genre by far haha. Back in the days itbwas CzechVR, Naughty America, WankzVR, VR Bangers and SLR all doing FFFF+M scenes and it was great.

                                                Now for most of them the frequency and quality dropped dramatically. Actually SLR tried with the harem series so actually big thumbs up for that but we need to improve quality. Naughty America is not the frontrunner when if comes to FFFM and FFFFm scenes.

                                                  lol i was conplimented on my dirty scripts and wish also that when a director if ever they do take up the scene ideas i e posted, that they treat it well and follow close enough to the story quality and not just a few mins and bam lets fuck your brains out. 🙁 i need that darkness and immersion in the dialogue and the phases of the scene , with even some lovely investment in the background like say a normal room changing lighting and ambience into some darkened room with a glow coming feom the floor out of sight of the viewer and having husks of men stuffed into a closet that we dont notice unless we look past the gorgeous demon woman in front of us to see we are going to be just like that … lol but yea definitely need storyline quality and guiding actresses to fit/adjust their acting to fit the character/role they are playing… i cant imagine though how difficult it must be to direct and try to coordinate all this 🙁 sorry for the rant just want the scenes to be even more awesome than JAV scenes at least

                                                    Bucket619 No worries, think we all want that. It is indeed very difficult therefore it is very important to build skills and retain skills. Lots of effort going into experiments now ,such as the harems, that are cancelled when they are not doing well or the quality is not as expected. If you work with the same team cancellation is, however, most costly as all of the 'learning' money and all the lessons that came with are thrown away.

                                                    SpaceX also got it right after numerous failed attempts (company almost went bankrupt) but they now succeeded and managed to create a huge competitive advantage.

                                                    It's all about distinguishing yourself from the crowd. SLR primarily distinguished itself via quantity now. However, POVR is catching up and others ramp up their production levels as well. I believe quality and being known for certain genres or technologies (such as passthrough, which SLR is focusing on) very well is the best way forward.

                                                        Hoping for dome feedback from the SLR team. Lot of good suggestions for the long term vision.