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  • Okay folks, this is serious - No Alcohol, No drugs, No Nonconsensual

i guess we can keep this convo on the banks and whose behind them.

might be a few clues/headlines/statements from officials on the other side

justsomedude101 I've noticed a lot of excellent JAV scenes missing from my playlists so I'm really really hoping you guys are doing something along the lines of editing and restoring the content. Hell, even to use the AI program being developed to make scenes passthrough, then forcing JAV scenes containing disallowed content to be passthrough only, would be better than not having the scenes at all. Or even cut out entire parts of scenes with disallowed content if it allows the rest to be restored.

JAV is why I signed up for SLR in the first place, and it'd be just a shame to completely lose so many amazing scenes due to something like a can of beer in the background. Especially when nobody except the payment processors even cares about that can of beer being there.

      vrpicasso There should simply be credit card companies in Europe. I don't know what the EU is still waiting for. It's obvious that the US are a sinking ship that is getting more unreliable every day.

          It is pretty ridiculous how much power US credit card companies have and what they're enforcing with their power. If they want to shut down payment processing for activities like terrorism or amateur porn of questionable legality or clearly illegal real activities, then sure, that's understandable. But threatening shut down for even showing something like alcohol in the background of professionally produced porn with fictional scenarios and paid consenting adult actors??

          If a particular porn company is caught doing illegal things, then their payment processing should be shut down at least till they can prove they've changed their ways. But it's nonsense to have a blanket ban on fictional scenarios between paid actors that would be illegal if they were real and nonconsensual, against all porn companies. Why aren't they threatening to ban Hollywood studios or TV show producers or movie theaters for all the fictional illegal activities shown in movies and TV?

          I personally have no interest in seeing anyone drink piss for example, but who are the card companies to determine that paying adults are not allowed to watch paid adult actors drinking piss? It's scary to think how far the card companies' absurd selective censorship can go with this much power.

            avengerbob Cutting and re-publishing I hear is the plan for JAV scenes that may contain some NG content, but are still salvageable.

              LordCrash There are processors in EU. Instead of lamenting on this board, consider using that time to research the current EU billing environment.

                avengerbob Payment processors will rarely shut down a site with non-compliant content out of the blue unless it was extremely out of line. This goes double if it's a legit site like SLR. What happened to PH is far and away not how it is normally done.

                What would happen is the processor will reach out and say "X movie has Y forbidden content so please remove or cut out offending content". This is clearly noted in the MC adult merchant guidelines from the other year. Of course, if this happens constantly, then one's processing is at stake, but most paysites have multiple processors and try to avoid any of these compliance issues from the get-go. It is also why paysites like SLR and others now have Content Removal links in their header and/or footer even though the content is all legally acquired.

                  to think outside the box a bit

                  maybe DELINK the credit card processing option for a month...see what it looks like. see if people will get some BTC to make the purchase.

                  it's possible you find out that it's not as bad as you think...and might become something better

                  possible it's a disaster and signups go down over 50 percent, but i would also deem that to be a timing issue mostly while people figure shit out...NOT a complete NO/NEVER signing up

                  it's NOT like it's a dime a dozen site. if you are into porn and just got a new headset, you probably NEED to be joining this site...i've joined some others...they are good for about a month per year.

                    Accept the top cryptocurrencies/stablecoins (BTC, LTC, ETH, BNB, USDT, DOGE)

                    Provide a guide how people can setup an account with a top centralized exchange (Binance, Coinbase, Kucoin) to acquire one or more of the currencies above. It really isn’t that hard.

                    Provide a guide how people can pay with crypto. It also isn’t that hard.

                    Lead the way for porn services to reducing their dependence on MC and other corporations that are long overdue for some much needed disruption.

                      spanker Turning off CC and only taking crypto would see signups drop more like 90% if one is lucky. There are some viable alternative methods outside of traditional CC processing, but none on their own match the convenience of directly paying via CC on the site's join form. And again, the big elephant is vanilla content sells.

                        I've noticed a few scenes I had bookmarked got removed for this reason which is ridiculous. As I mentioned in another thread makes sense if the scene implies someone is being drugged or drunk and taken advantage of, but to remove every scene for the mere presence of alcohol is a little much. It's a porno! They can show alcohol and drugs in sexual situations along with gruesome violence on cable tv but in porn it's a no-go? Not following the logic there. Plus, are there not protocols porn companies have to follow like any porn or non-porn studio that keeps workers and staff safe and legal? Wouldn't that allow for the possibility of police involvement if such a situation presented itself? Porn, as basic as it is, is like any other "scripted" entertainment so why would this apply to porn only and not HBO or Netflix Originals? Cause besides penetration I've seen some pretty graphic stuff there and pretty much on every other streaming platfiorm. Hollywood didn't ban sex or rape scenes after the whole Weinstein ordeal. I hate to say it but if i see many more of my bookmarked scenes disappear i might cancel and look elsewhere, seems like all the other similar sites still have the scenes up i noticed removed from slr

                        give the libbies more power with the new FED COIN...so they can push their ESG and track us more

                        spanker 50% drop off? And the rest! No way I’m getting involved in all that crypto bullshit and I guarantee you hardly anyone else is. SLR isn’t the only game in town either. There are other big sites now with most of the same third party studios plus their own stuff. Would be insane of them to go crypto only, especially when most people here want very vanilla content anyway so they can easily stay within CC compliance and only piss a relatively small amount of people off.

                        Porn does need to find a way to get out from under the thumb of credit cards though but it ain’t crypto, not yet anyway. I know Clips4Sale used to (they may still do) have a pre-payment card option but that fits their business model as they don’t rely on repeat monthly subscriptions. For sites like SLR you’d be relying on people remembering to top up their card and that’s not the guaranteed money they’re after. There must be a solution somewhere for some kind of universal buffer between credit cards and all porn sites so that credit card companies aren’t worried about direct transactions on illegal content. I just don’t know what it is.

                        Could porn set up their own porn bank and self operating credit card nothing to do with Visa/MC. Is that doable? Would it even work?

                          relax tiger

                          BTW, getting involved in crypto bullshit is just time and effort to move money...nobody is saying hold and invest it

                          BUT the KEY response is most people like vanilla content...SO, pretty much is what it is at that point

                          i have joined a few other sites that aggregate content...as of last year? they were crap in comparison, and few others are worth ONE MONTH a year at best.

                          I PERSONALLY am good with a lot vanilla content if they would SHOOT it better...more thought out...cater to more people with EASE. shoot the shit closer. every single clip i watch...i cringe at the simple missed opportunities for a 30 second spot there...WHICH would make the clip something i might watch 50 times VS once

                          if i don't see goosebumps...it's virtually just 2d stuff with a 5 second trick or two

                          I'll preface this by saying that it's totally fine if everyone wants to continue the discussion around this topic, since it's obviously one that there is a lot of passion behind.

                          But while floating the idea that a porn company (or virtually any online company) could/should/would shift away from major credit cards and move to crypto-only payments is a fun thought experiment, and maybe in another decade the outlook might look different - right now it would be an immediate death sentence, and I hope everyone understands that. To say that the loss of income/revenue would be "profound" would be an understatement, and no amount of guides/manuals/walkthroughs to help new users understand and set up crypto payments would ever come even remotely close to recuperating that loss.

                          So if we're weighing the pros and cons of a site shifting to crypto-only payments, with the "pros" being a porn site can now have the freedom to include things like fake alcohol/drugs/non-consensual content in their scenes and the "cons" being that porn site immediately loses 99% of income, hopefully the obvious choice is pretty clear.

                          we get it...i was just doing a little responding. we read the answer just above 🙂

                          but who is driving this...is very clear.

                          seems like the one i was responding to vanished...was responding to the site telling us it was a death sentence

                          it was the one that SAID wouldn't touch crypto