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Mutiny

petermc That’s control.

To be clear, it's the banking institutions that have drawn that line. Some studios/producers are either unconcerned or don't realize and are getting away with it for now, but if you lose credit card processors, you're out of business. It sucks, but it's the world we live in right now.

Here are a couple of recent tweets from Jessica Ryan about it. She's talking about what she can put on her own website. https://twitter.com/LoveJessicaRyan/status/1630690588340404225
https://twitter.com/LoveJessicaRyan/status/1630754228582096896

(Someone replied that maybe we could get away with it if we called it "step-piss" since that seems to work for incest scenarios. 🤷 )

And yeah, SLR takes compliance seriously. Even though this is fantasy, concepts like consent are absolute hard lines.

But there's having standards and there's being compelled to self-censor and the reality is — banking institutions have us by the balls, and we did NOT consent to that.

(Edit: I want to emphasize that I'm not saying this to whine, but to encourage all of us to talk about this. The only way it changes is public pressure, and that takes everyone doing our part.)

petermc

Mutiny no judgment intended in my post. I’m not saying SLR haven’t made the right decision to protect themselves, I’m just saying that, where they draw the line on compliance, does affect other studios and the content they make.

I do understand that the line is, in some cases, drawn for them by financial institutions but I also understand they have erred on the side of caution on other things where the line isn’t particularly clear. Again, no judgment, they want to ensure they are fireproof and they’re perfectly entitled to do that.

ZENRA

Mutiny Per her tweets, the issue is 'obscenity'. A dramatic production about family abuse or someone simply pissing on another person's butt (as she noted). Of these, if both are shown to a random sampling and then asked which one better fits what may be considered 'obscene', even nowadays most will probably select the latter hence urination-related content is a billing gray area.

LordCrash

Mutiny To be clear, it's the banking institutions that have drawn that line.

Not really. It's the porn companies who are unwilling and unable to offer payment services that are independent of big US credit card companies. It's just lazy and pretty stupid in the long run.

Mutiny

Natch I was more referring to the tech/picture quality/availability of higher bitrates with faster internet/that kind of thing.

But you're right. The history of humanity is a series of amazing advancements followed by a race to the middle where everything seems safe. It's a millenia-old game of tug-of-war between art & commerce, innovation & profit margins, dreamers & schemers.

(But to be fair to humans, scalability is a bastard.)

As Sturgeon's Law famously teaches us, "Ninety Percent of Everything Is Crap." The entire reason "Golden Age Thinking" exists — i.e., "the good old days when TV/music/movies didn't suck" — is that the excellent 10% is remembered and the 90% of garbage we had to wade through is deservedly forgotten. I do take some comfort in knowing "t'was ever thus".

Mutiny

biZZler They've taken some control back and I love that for them. They work hard, and deserve some of that sweet, sweet passive income.

Just means we have to be cleverer and offer better working conditions and opportunities. I may be a producer but I'm still a pro-labor lefty and, in porn, the worker IS the means of production.

biZZler

Mutiny I agree, but we won't see the fruits of all that for a while. The only reason things seem so bad right now is cause the industry didn't adapt fast enough or foresee these things from a mile away even though it was an obvious threat to the existing business model. Covid didn't help either. It just made the shift a lot more faster than it should have been.

Mutiny

petermc Oh for sure, totally agreed. Just taking my own advice and talking about it to spread the word. 🤘

biZZler

@Mutiny I feel like VR studios can still salvage something from all this given that making personal VR content is still near impossible, at least with the level of quality that most consumers insist on, so I sincerely hope you can find smart ways to use it as an advantage sooner rather than later.

Mutiny

biZZler You're exactly right. And these conversations are definitely happening at SLR. They're eager to help independent producer/performers get set up with channels on here, find out what gear to get and how to use it, etc.

Mutiny

LordCrash I'm having a hard time envisioning what that would look like at scale. Can you explain further what that would be, or point me toward an example?

LordCrash

Mutiny crypto for example?

or payment with pre-sold gift cards

Mutiny

LordCrash Gotcha. Those are valid payment methods for sure, but they can't replace the juggernaut that is international credit card processing.

XVideos is experiencing this as we speak: https://twitter.com/Fleshbot/status/1631694935681384448

Per the article, they accept crypto and direct debit but still had to pull the entire premium infrastructure while they figure out next steps.

LordCrash

Mutiny
I don't know why they simply don't do a "two tier" payment system.

Like, if you are a casual consumer who isn't interested in the most hardcore stuff anyway, get yourself a basic subscription and pay with your credit card, all easy and simple.

And if you are a perv who is really interested in that super hardcore stuff just pay for it (on top?) with either crypto or pre-sold gift cards or whatever, even in a second sub or by pay-per-scene. Regular uses can't see or access this content.

I don't think credit card companies have any leverage against stuff that is hidden by a paywall that isn't connected with their own services. Their rules only apply to goods when using their services for the purchase of that specific good.

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