Scripts removed, why?

bobbytables

RealcumberScripts you think they started at $30 when they went into a streaming service? no. They started at $7.99 before they had 200 million subscribers. And they also still didn't use users as beta testers. You getting hyper-defensive over SLR is wild dude. I'm not the one who started this chain of comparing SLR to customers, You and the head guy in charge are, and then you argumentative when it's called out how terrible of a comparison it is. What you're doing is purely trying to move goalposts.

Netflix - high quality high production value content with a thorough internal testing process that doesn't make users be beta testers or start allocating users money toward other mediums (i.e. passthrough) than original advertised, all for $10

Spotify - Offers the highest constant bitrate available (outside of something that an audio engineer would do, after 320 you have to go variable) with unlimited streaming of millions of songs and once again doesn't make users be beta testers and doesn't remove random sorting options (while claiming to eventually return them and never does a la SLR), all for the low cost of $10 for free with ads.

SLR - removes videos without warning, removes scripts without warning, beta tests on users, removes features with no valid reasoning, charges $30 (or $35 with scripts), has a CEO that calls people names and is nonstop rude to customers, uses customers subscription money on things they didn't sign up for while reducing the video quality over time, doesn't test camera footage before release (remember the 8k debacle where they released a ton of videos with giants?), puts out 30mbps videos for 6k and 8k footage even though the community has explained time and time again he's cutting off data, makes claims of feature theft against heresphere even though SLR itself is built on communal libraries, etc etc.

I could go on and on about the sins of SLR. To quote you "All I can personally do is help where I can" .... well then you can start by encouraging SLR and double to actually listen instead of white knighting for them in comments over a comparison they themselves made. If you agree that youtube is a bad comparison, the way to act is to literally tell the person that's comparing themselves to youtube, not the guy saying it's a bad comparison. Not that it matters to you, but I've lost a fuckton of respect for you after reading your comments here.

justsomedude101

bobbytables Netflix - high quality high production value content with a thorough internal testing process that doesn't make users be beta testers or start allocating users money toward other mediums (i.e. passthrough) than original advertised, all for $10

Spotify - Offers the highest constant bitrate available (outside of something that an audio engineer would do, after 320 you have to go variable) with unlimited streaming of millions of songs and once again doesn't make users be beta testers and doesn't remove random sorting options (while claiming to eventually return them and never does a la SLR), all for the low cost of $10 for free with ads.

Those companies were brought up as an analogy. Any analogy on earth can be picked apart by diving into specific details. That's not how they are meant to function.

bobbytables removes videos without warning

We generally try to give warning when possible.

bobbytables removes scripts without warning

Our service is similar to Amazon Prime Video: if you purchase the script, it's yours forever. If you don't, then if a scripter decides to leave then their content is removed and you will no longer have access to it. Only we don't sell vacuums like Amazon Prime, so analogy ruined I guess.

bobbytables beta tests on users

I assume this is about Passthrough. If so, we have zero plans to stop producing Passthrough content. You can think of it as "extra" content since our monthly volume of SLRO's has increased more and more over time. Should also be moved into a separate channel soon.

bobbytables has a CEO that calls people names and is nonstop rude to customers

Here's his comment history. Notice how much of it is about how to make the site/app/content better based off user suggestions. Sorry if you feel he's mean sometimes.

bobbytables uses customers subscription money on things they didn't sign up for

Fundamentally impossible to only spend money on scenes/content you, as an individual, want. Every single person on earth has unique tastes and preferences. There is quite literally no way to do this.

bobbytables doesn't test camera footage before release (remember the 8k debacle where they released a ton of videos with giants?)

100%, guilty as charged. Extensive testing is ongoing with the 10k test rig.

bobbytables puts out 30mbps videos for 6k and 8k footage even though the community has explained time and time again he's cutting off data

If you didn't see it, here's a relevant thread re: ongoing tests we're doing to improve this.

bobbytables makes claims of feature theft against heresphere even though SLR itself is built on communal libraries

Not a Dev myself so waaaay beyond my knowledge base.

And while I usually try to avoid making this point - SLR is a subscription service. If a user is unhappy with the service overall, the can unsubscribe at any time.

LordCrash

RealcumberScripts I know for sure that I wouldnt have created nearly as many and nearly as high quality scripts that I have here on SLR ever since without SLR's current creator system in place

Any significant changes to the current system could actually significantly change my incentive and motivation, so as long as that remains, then its business as usual and there is nothing to worry about as a scripter and also a customer

I didn't request any significant changes to the system, only an additional option.

mebejoe

justsomedude101 Our model is a significant reason for the wild success of interactive content here at SLR. That can't really be overstated.
etc.

I really appreciate the long and thoughtful answer, and I think you might have missed my point.

Unless you're saying that if SLR had a provision in its agreements with scripters that gave SLR a perpetual license to use the scripts so long as SLR continues to pay royalties (commissions?) on the scripts, that fewer and less skilled scripters would provide scripts. I'm not sure you could know that unless you try it.

I can't speak for other users, but for me, the reason SLR is my favorite site is because of the combination of the awesome app with great and easy to use functionality (including the interactive features), the great selection of videos (including SLR originals), AND the high number of great quality of scripts.

You guys are awesome, no doubt.

That said, I think that many users would agree the biggest disappointment is when content is removed--scripts or videos.

We are NOT second-guessing your business model or your devotion to providing the best user experience--just offering suggestions

RealcumberScripts

I'm really not sure what just happened here @bobbytables

I have spent alot of my own personal time to thoughtfully respond to you guys in this thread

I'm re-reading my response and I honestly thought I was being as respectful and considerate as I could to both you the customer, and the company I work for, so your attack on me feels really unfair

I'm super disheartened to hear you say those things about me when all I was doing was try my best to step in and provide some context and have an open dialogue which I would appreciate if I was in your shoes but I did not expect such a negative response (its actually the first time I've heard anyone say anything like that to me before - I'm having a really hard time processing this and please know that I have taken your words heavily to heart)

I think its best for my mental health to avoid commenting further in this thread

I'm really sorry that I offended you @bobbytables - I hope you can accept that apology and I will do my best to choose my words (or stay out of things) more carefully going forward

spacepirate

RealcumberScripts he dropped some truth bombs re slr but the comments directed at you seemed a bit harsh 😯

LordCrash

RealcumberScripts I have spent alot of my own personal time to thoughtfully respond to you guys in this thread

Hey dude, I really appreciate your input here and I really appreciate the work you do although I personally only very rarely use scripts so far. The huge majority of the community is happy with your work and we need people like you and definitely want you to continue.

It's imho not fair that some people make you responsible for anything SLR does since you're not even working with them, only for them (on a free-lancing term).

So please, don't take singular opinions to heart and leave the discussion, that would be pretty sad.

mebejoe

RealcumberScripts I'm really not sure what just happened here

I have spent alot of my own personal time to thoughtfully respond to you guys in this thread

Don't let the bastards get you down.

I've been doing script business with @RealcumberScripts for a long time and he is a standup guy. I think I might have been the one who commissioned his first script ever on this site, maybe. For the super low price of about $1.00 a minute.

If SLR is making it more profitable for him to script, I think that's awesome!

Slur

justsomedude101 I appreciate the response, but I think you misunderstand my question.

We have learned that some scripts can be removed when their creator leaves SLR. My question is not related scripts anymore. Forget scripts exist for this next line:

Can some SLRO VIDEOS be removed when their creators leave SLR?

justsomedude101

Slur Can some SLRO VIDEOS be removed when their creators leave SLR?

Ahhh, gotcha. No, SLR Originals are shot by the various production teams, but the scenes are paid for and belong to SLR and would not go anywhere.

petermc

Am I missing something here as it seems quite simple.

1) SLRO has a scheme where they pay people $500 to script one of their SLRO scenes. I assume that they then own this script and own the scene so it won’t go anywhere unless there’s another compliance purge.

2) Individuals produce scripts independently for SLRO (and other studios) which they allow SLR to use on their site and make available for sale. Those scripts are owned by the individuals themselves and, if they decide that they no longer want them on SLR, they can remove them.

I’m not sure what the pros and cons are for script creators in either model. As an outsider, I’d think you’d want a $500 payment upfront, but maybe they make more money from option 2, I don’t know. Option 2 certainly gives you a lot more scripts than option 1 as it allows people to script more than just SLRO stuff. Obviously though you’re then at the whims of the individuals who can decide to jump ship whenever they wish.

As with any streaming service, which is largely what this is, content not owned by the studio can disappear and we were given some warning when VRBangers and their associated sites stopped licensing their old content to SLR. I’m not sure they’re going to start a big warning campaign when Fred Bloggs removes a few scripts though.

I suppose the message is, if you love stuff, buy it/download it and then you won’t lose it. That’s why I still buy my favourite music, movies and tv shows on physical media so I’ve got them forever and I’m not at the mercy of a streaming service removing them.

LordCrash

petermc 1) SLRO has a scheme where they pay people $500 to script one of their SLRO scenes. I assume that they then own this script and own the scene so it won’t go anywhere unless there’s another compliance purge.

I don't think that SLRO owns the scripts with this scheme. That's what we're actually talking about. Maybe I got it wrong but in my understanding the scripters is paid 500 bucks to make a script for SLRO scenes and then stills owns the script. The 500 bucks are only an incentive to make scripts for SLRO scenes in general.

petermc I suppose the message is, if you love stuff, buy it/download it and then you won’t lose it. That’s why I still buy my favourite music, movies and tv shows on physical media so I’ve got them forever and I’m not at the mercy of a streaming service removing them.

That's true but we're specifically talking about SLRO scenes here. Netflix productions don't vanish from Netflix either since there is zero reason for it. 3rd party content is a whole different story.

petermc

LordCrash oh, ok so they don’t own those scripts? That would be dumb to purchase a script for $500 and then not own it.

Kieshi

LordCrash I don't think that SLRO owns the scripts with this scheme. That's what we're actually talking about. Maybe I got it wrong but in my understanding the scripters is paid 500 bucks to make a script for SLRO scenes and then stills owns the script. The 500 bucks are only an incentive to make scripts for SLRO scenes in general.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread - we do own these scripts. Any script coming from 500$ per script belongs to SLR.

spacepirate

petermc @Kieshi clarified that slr owns the $500 scripts earlier in this thread

Slur

Kieshi Have you considered buying all scripts you offer? I would think you have determined your $500 price point to be profitable, so why not just purchase all scripts outright? Why is there a mix of some you own and some you don’t own?

LordCrash

Kieshi Ah ok, my bad then, I missed that info. Sorry for the confusion.

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