LordCrash That's kind of the point of the thread.

there is no longer a point to the thread. You made a suggestion to SLR to start a new site. The owner responded immediately that they won’t be doing this and even told you why. What further point is there other than you yelling at the wall for the sake of yelling at the wall? There, I added something to your now pointless thread and I still couldn’t care less about any of it 🍿😂🍿

    ZENRA when has that ever happened? When Max Hardcore was prosecuted, no one went after the credit card company, they went after the guy who produced and “transported” the content both over the internet and in the mail. He still runs a website btw showing all the stuff that was considered obscene except all audio relating to ageplay has been removed.

    No one is suing a credit card company because they happen to process a payment for a third party billing provider that is deemed to be obscene, not that any of this stuff we’re talking about would be classed as obscene anyway. Maybe if it was underage people involved and they could prove Visa/Mastercard knowingly processed payments for actual illegal content. Are they supposed to watch every scene though on every porn site in the world to make sure someone says “step” dad or that the girl doesn’t swallow the pee. No way would they ever be held liable and their unlimited army of lawyers would see to that anyway. It’s literally just them bowing to the religious right wing zealots in the US by imposing their own moral judgment to ban perfectly legal material.

        petermc and the owner of SLR has made it clear he isn’t interested pursuing this content regardless of who believes (or doesn’t believe) that it may (or may not) be obscene so why do you continue to belabor the point? let it go already.

            stst12 Those sites are not registered in the EU I'm sure. Though they could be, but i think not.

            @LordCrash
            Exporting uncensored JAV content is illegal. SLR would have to close down the .jp site and no Japanese studios will post any more videos to us either.

            The models in those videos will also risk no longer being hired by actual legit studios, risk getting fined and even jailtime. Instead of gaining JAV, we'd be losing all Asian content shot in Japan.

            Many uncensored 'JAV' is also shot outside of Japan. But the models still run the risk mentioned above when returning to Japan.

                ZENRA That's not legal in Belgium.
                I've been looking to start a studio in Belgium.
                The laws here are pretty difficult to run a studio. Not impossible, but most stuff porn studios rely on, are simply illegal here. ie model bureaus (if it's sexwork)

                It's even illegal to hire a hooker for a friend. That's considered pimping.

                Many models prefer using a bureau because they don't have to share their personal information that way. Like their address, real name, VAT number, etc.

                    argyle43 I don’t believe Justsomedude is the owner but I don’t doubt that he’s absolutely correct in what he said. I’m not asking for a Euro SLR, it’s not my thread. It just irks me when people try to make out porn kinks are “illegal” when they’re absolutely not, not even in the US.

                        petermc the reply from owner is linked here:

                        doublevr

                        and his main point was this: I’m much better off running legit operation than playing on the edge. If things go wrong there won’t be a second change. Our upcoming stack is incredible and it should not be undermined by reckless decisions.

                            Rakly3 Exporting uncensored JAV content is illegal. SLR would have to close down the .jp site and no Japanese studios will post any more videos to us either.

                            I requested no such thing in this thread actually so there's maybe a misunderstanding. This is about content that is produced in Europe and that is offered to European customers (but e.g. not to Japanese and American users due to their respective legal situation in their countries).

                              ZENRA

                              Belgian law is applied to ALL business that is conducted via Mastercard in the whole EU. You can have a company registered in Czech Republic and if you use Mastercard services their legal jurisdiction for your business is in Belgium.

                              And replying to a feature request with "Do it yourself" is kind of pointless.

                                petermc Visa/MC leave the enforcing to their merchant partners who are their actual customers. Those with plastic in their wallets and those who accept the cards on their sites and stores are not their actual customers. Real proscribed content does not make use of direct processing but various workarounds (such as in most situations being crypto-only).

                                I suggest anyone here interested in credit cards and our industry to listen to the Hot Money podcast (the last two episodes I think in particular cover this).

                                  ZENRA I know 🙂

                                  It was more a response meant for LordCash, but on your comment.

                                  LordCrash
                                  There is no such obscenity law for porn in most European countries. People just don't care. That's kind of the point...

                                  There literally is. I only know this because I happen to be looking into Belgian laws around porn. It doesn't have a specified list of what this includes, however. I know it does include bestialities, necrophilia, enactment of sexual abuse.
                                  (S&M is not sexual abuse. At the same time, sexual abuse doesn't have to be physical.)

                                  Edit, found it. Art. 417/51

                                  Production or distribution of content of an extremely pornographic or violent nature

                                  • The production or distribution of content of an extremely pornographic or violent nature is the display, offering, selling, renting, broadcasting, supplying, distribution, making available, handing over, manufacturing or importing, by any means whatsoever, content of an extremely pornographic or violent nature.
                                    • Extreme is understood to mean any content that is so pornographic or violent that it is of a nature to produce traumatizing or other psychologically harmful consequences for a normal and reasonable person.
                                  • This crime is punishable by imprisonment of one month to two years and by a fine of two hundred euros to two thousand euros.

                                  and also partially Art. 417/43 (depiction of a real or non-existent minor, or acting as a minor, is illegal.)

                                  • Any material that involves the visual representation in any way of a person who looks like a minor and who participates in real or simulated explicit sexual conduct, or that involves the representation of that person's genitals for primarily sexual purposes;
                                  • Realistic images depicting a non-existent minor participating in explicit sexual behaviour, or representing the sexual organs of that minor for primarily sexual purposes.

                                  Source: https://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_loi/change_lg.pl?language=nl&la=N&cn=1867060801&table_name=wet

                                        Rakly3 Hmm according to your post taboo content is viable for these laws. You even store studios like TabooVRPorn or any other studio who does taboo content yet you say if we do it we are on the edge of losing. I see hypocrisy here. I actually don't understand when the concept has high audience yet it is so overlooked.

                                            Rakly3 and also partially Art. 417/43 (depiction of a real or non-existent minor, or acting as a minor, is illegal.)

                                            I hope you don't want to tell me that laws against the sexual exploitation of minors were the same thing than obscenity laws in the US...

                                            You know, the stuff that is forbidden by Belgian law is all about stuff that actually hurts people (or animals) or could be seen as template or justification for real world actions that actually hurt people/minors/animals. Obscenity instead is about stuff that doesn't hurt anybody but is simply seen as morally incorrect for the whole society. Watersports is a pretty good example for that. Nobody is hurt when two people agree on pissing on each other and drink each others liquids. The only reason why such thing is forbidden in some places is that some people think that this is morally not correct for anybody in society. Obscenity laws are all about typcial right wing autoritharian bullshit in which some people think they were entitled to tell other people how they must act and live although nobody would be hurt by actions that are not aligned to these directions.

                                                LordCrash I hope you don't want to tell me that laws against the sexual exploitation of minors were the same thing than obscenity laws in the US...

                                                No, My point with that part is more about how a lot of JAV and Hentai have girls looking underage, vs the notion Belgium has no censorship. I know you didn't say this! It was just me reacting to @ZENRA reacting to you 😉

                                                stst12 This is Belgian laws, SLR doesn't have servers in Belgium. (I got a bit sidetracked from the actual topic.) But still, SLR tries to minimize any references to incest due to credit card companies. Which is an ongoing process that had us remove a lot of scenes, that now are being made available again after changing the descriptions, tags...

                                                They are not enforceable rules. Credit card companies are not the law. But, there are many studios from all over the world on SLR. It is in our and their best interest complying with the guidelines.