Lotus pose - Western studios are missing an opportunity!

Yes, it's not really face to face, the girl's head is always a little higher. But it's as close as you can get in western VR.

JAV does a perfect face-to-face, many different studios. It's a shot they have mastered and use in most of their films. It's one of the things that makes me forget about censorship.

Perhaps precisely because there is censorship, they focus on the face-to-face scenes, the kissing, the whispering in the ear, something that is completely rejected here, they are terrified to bring the camera closer.

To me, JAV VR is real virtual reality, what they do here, only very rarely.

the whole not being centered properly should BE the first they learn in shooting this stuff.

JAV producers are far and away more advanced...THEY HAVE TO BE, working with their handicap

smart western producers should be watching JAV for SIMPLE ideas...maybe that's too much into research and planning??

all producers should be watching other stuff for SIMPLE ideas

just HOPING for few good ones per week...that will keep me from using OLD FAITHFULS over and over

peterxmax looks like they were TRYING something NEW a few days ago. not perfect in total execution with little blurriness, BUT KEEP going down the path!!!

SOD had a couple good camera angles going in last week also

Natch not everyone wants this face-1-inch-from-the-camera thing you keep asking for. when the camera is that close to the subject and your eyes are physically unable bring the two images into focus it has a huge negative impact on the overall experience. the visual stimulus is by far the most important part of the vr experience... followed by sound. if all you can see is double vision and not a crisp image then its not enjoyable and most people will get a headache from trying to watching with double vision for a while. its fine in very brief bursts but not for an extended period of time like the old super close ups in nash scenes.

with all that said there is definitately a tendency for girls in western vr porn to lean back a lot which makes the experience feel less intimate and i guess thats your main point?

I definitely like when a girl is riding and her boobs are swinging in my face. The new scripted video with Nene Tanaka does a great job in the first cow girl sequence.

Maybe this is an American cultural thing but we value personal space and it’s frequent to hear “I don’t want you breathing my air”. I have never been with woman who wants me leaning in a foot or closer during sex while we are both breathing heavily. I’ve been with a lot of women who will find sex less enjoyable that way because they become self conscious about their breathing or breath. So for me personally this closeup sex breaks immersion because it isn’t realistic.

I get this is porn and a lot of it isn’t realistic but at the same time I wanted to offer a different perspective that I haven’t seen in all the conversations about closeup cowgirl and missionary.

This is a very interesting talk because early on I recall a lot western fans when introduced to JAV VR hated how close it was at times. It seems things have changed as of late.

Natch you realize saying “it’s no different than watching it on tv” then saying “…you need that for immersion” are completely contradictory right?

Have you ever found yourself opening your mouth as a model was close to your face, or leaning a certain way or reaching for something because of the scene, it’s because it is immersive and your mind makes it feel somewhat real. And in that same way your mind can trigger the same type of reactions as if it was real. So again I say, for me, and maybe it’s only me, when she is up close all I can think about is hot breath.

I was simply offering an alternative perspective. You say this is not common in western porn and I’m simply saying it may be because it’s not common in sex in the US, at least not with any woman I’ve been with or talked to.

Sperson Well, there are many ways to make love or fuck.... I don't think there is an "US way", or a Japanese or European way.

It's more of a personal thing.

Natch Sigh you have missed it twice now that I have said I am simply offering a different perspective.

You are naïve to believe that culture norms don’t play a role in how people from various regions around the world have sex, make love, fuck, or whatever else you want to call it. Yes there is some personal preference in there but those personal preferences are derived from societal norms.

Specifically what I was previously mentioning was around societal norms for proximities more specifically around the norm of intimate distance. Western cultures have a much larger personal bubble and do not want people in close proximity hanging out at intimate distance for long.

If you google
“proximities and culture”
Or “culturally based differences in sexual activity” i’m sure it will be enlightening.

I’m not going to keep going back and forth. Again, I’m only trying to convey a different perspective as I’ve now stated 3 times.

spacepirate Autofocus in Heresphere solves the double vision of close objects almost completely for me.

Sperson I understood you perfectly. I simply disagree and I am giving you reasons why I disagree.

You are right that there are cultural connotations in sex, but I don't think they reach a general level to say "In the USA they do it that way and in Japan that way".

In JAV there are studios that shoot with the same shots as in the USA, or always shoot with the camera far away.

In SLR there are fierce debates with every release of a movie because some ask for the camera closer, some farther away, some want more doggie, some non-POV, some more anal... I don't think there are patterns by country or region, but by taste.

most of the time, when they get super super close in JAV it's still in focus.

sometimes it gets out of focus...i will take a few seconds of OUT OF FOCUS every once in a while for the time they get it right.

in 2D it was a constant close-up search...Goosebumps get me hard type of thing