jojo321 Lugging my thirty pound butt toy to clean is hard enough.
Bro I have a bad back and pulled my back out with my doll, smh...someone's advice was lift with your arms, I been doing that now, my back was cramped for bout a week, lol life size? I'm good bro, but I bet they fun to fuck! 
pk421 If I were a younger guy that can still keep it up all day VR+doll would probably be my addiction.
Lol hell it's my addiction now, 
Do you use a torso with vr?
I could see vr and torsos could replace life size dolls, not replace but cause a decline in sales, new generation probably opt in for a torso and vr, cost less and it's more bang for the buck...literally lol whole lot of banging! 
Lol no I just have my full size doll. I don't own a torso. She's a total babe and fun to cuddle with in bed and do naughty things with. I don't think I could just do a torso. Definitely getting my bang for the buck out of her lol
pk421 damm bro I bet missionary is Hella fun with full size and with the vr! 
Yep I have full size. The tiny details are absolutely necessary. For example the hair brushing on your chest. The arms around your neck or pressed on your thighs. The calves brushing against your legs. Obviously, there is more challenges with it over a torso but I would much rather 99% than 75% immersion.
...yeah, the effect a fully complete and correct sized human simulacra has on the brain cannot be overstated. And what's best, is that the feelings only grow with time. The more you get to know her, the more she maps to your consciousness, the more connected you feel, and the more you get from the contact. In essence, you develop a profound kinaesthetic sense of their body, a projected consciousness, it's quite the most amazing feeling.
It's exactly like falling in love with a beautiful woman...
Missionary and doggy are so much better with a torso and in pt, rarely I got into Mish position but with pt I'd do it more often but you mostly just there fapping it, with a torso your hip thrusting a fap, it just so much better! Now I be using Mish and doggy more often now, when it's correct it's always mind blowing, smh amazing
Get you a torso! And if you wanna go the cheap route buy from Amazon, its cheap enough you won't regret throwing it away if you didn't like it or you just domt want to keep it around, cheap enough to try.
Plus they pretty much the same as a tantly doll, I couldn't believe it bro, way less $ but good quality.
Get a torso! Especially if you single, why not 
Ive had a 70+ lbs life size torso for a few months and my Handy & Keon are gathering dust. Full size seems nice but it's more joints to wear out.
...meanwhile in the Stone Age:
bbrawl got a link?
Yeah bro imo the torso with out longer thighs to spread are great with vr, a size like Candice or Nicole by tantaly would be awesome size, especially if 70 pounds not much for you to handle. Damn bro!
I have 28inch long, 36 pound torso, big tits with thighs to spread, and my other one is 19inch long 20lbs no spread thighs, bro most of time I'm taking the 19inch out the most, it's just more convenient to use and it's in a split leg position but the pussy not gaped, one thing i dont like on the 28pound is when you spread the legs the lips gape open , and lol yeah bro I wonder my self why not just buy a torso, I mean can you thrust a handy?
And pt with a torso holyshit bro! Wooooo! And most times my tosro hidden pretty good behind the image unless I'm moving side to side, but does it break my "immersion"? Nah.
What's funner to use with your experience?
Slr should sell a torsos, should have every one covered, but to compete with other brands price gotta be lower.
Idk how these torsos on Amazon get sold for cheap, I'd buy a few and resale, my 28pounder was 159, could resale it for 300 or more
But yeah bro torsos + vr = awesome
bbrawl Full size seems nice but it's more joints to wear out.
Not just that, the cleaning after you nut in it, the maintenance keeping it clean.
I seen one guy show how he clean his doll, bro he had it hanging from a mobile clothes hanger in his living room, lol for me I was like nah bro I'm doing all that, it's to much for a fan. I get some enjoy it and full size are like companions for them and 8m happy they enjoy them 
but for me and my living situations hell nah bro, lol
But definitely wouldn't rule out not ever getting one, if I could I'd buy a full size.
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I usually just use wipes in the holes and a scrub with bottle brush.
Vrsumo2017 Not just that, the cleaning after you nut in it, the maintenance keeping it clean.
I have a 20lb torso. The idea of blending vr and a doll makes sense... until you actually use one. For the most part it does not work. Maybe some cowgirl but missionary, probably not. Position is all wrong idk it just does not work for me, I tried. More than about 20lbs and I could not imagine doing cowgirl for any length of time. Point being, about 20lbs is max if you want to use passthrough, the cream of the crop when it comes to vr experience im sure you are aware. Cause if you go for a true lifesize, body or torso, you will not be able to sorta hide the doll behind the model. If you know what I mean. Ruining the point of passthrough. I guess you could watch in non-passthrough, but whats the fun in that .. and you really are making a tradeoff.
Thats my two cents on that. But just for your info, cleaning a 20lb torso is easy as pie. What I did was take a souldering iron, remove the tip, and connect a long deck nail to it (the hammer end cut off) so basically just a long tip. Turns out the bellybotton of most 20lbers lines up with the end of the canal/s. So i just slid it down the bellybutton once or twice, and met a hole to the canal tips. With me? Then I took some 1/4" icematker tubing, the cheap plastic stuff, adapted it to my laundry tup spout with some HD boxstore adapter I had, took the other end of t he plastic icemaker line and made a sorta cone shaped mound on the end ... like funnle shaped.... out of hot glue. Ok so I take the doll to the washtub, put that cone shape thing to the bellybutton (small hole, barely notice tbh) and turn the tub on. Like a raging river out of both canals! Takes 10 seconds. Hope this helps.
sogman you will not be able to sorta hide the doll behind the model
Damn, probably true bro
I bet if the dolls legs are spread, you'll probably see four legs while in missionary 
Yeah, I'd stick with a torso and vr
Vrsumo2017 could resale it for 300 or more
People buy used ones? 
Hairsational I wouldn't sale it if I used it, but yeah they do
sogman I do the edging and pull out method, after I'll use a t-shirt to wrap my finger and stick it in to get some lube out, then use my fingers till ultra dry in the tunnel, then back in the box, but once they get to sticky I wash em up and powder, so far its been working out good, bro I came in them a few times, smh I have to carry my 28 pounder to the tub, then dry up and powder, bro after my first nut and clean I said there's gotta be an easier way bro, so I started just edging off with them and u know the rest.
I'll nut in them every now and then but not often, maybe on the day I rinse them off, might as well
bbrawl damn bro, that torso came in a suitcase with locks for 139? That's a good ass deal, branded sites hell 800 just cuz it comes with suitcase.
This the one I got off Amazon, when I bought it was 169, right now 129, and says lowest price in 30days.
https://a.co/d/2yFkkqp
Bro and it has gel breast! It doesn't say in the description, so i was excited about that!
The titties are nice to have cuz when you grab on them, kinda feel lime im grabbing the models breast, and then in pt! I have a lamp facing me and gets titty shadows on my wall, lol bro you ve in a missionary position humping away, yall shadows on the wall bro, doll tittys just flopping, shit crazy bro lol, kinda awkward in cg you see a shadow with head, LOL 
still fun tho.
But these torsos are awesome with vr!
Vrsumo2017 titty shadows on my wall,
Haha! Thats funny. Yeah I could imagine that being fun.
Vrsumo2017 But these torsos are awesome with vr!
Yeah for sure. I got one on amazon. Everybody says nooo dont buy dolls on amazon they are trash, but for $60 figured I wouldnt have too much to loose. Its great! And im not spending $2k+. Its right proportion but maybe 1/2 normal woman size, or super petite. Jelly boobs (I dont think they are actually jelly tbh but still squishy) and yeah after finding out the bellybutton lines up with the canal end, I didnt have to douche it and do all that tedious cleaning rituals. Its actually super simple to clean now takes like 15 seconds fully flushed out. Yeah 20lbs is perfect in VR imo. Yeah its smaller proportion but tbh, after a minute or 2 in vr your mind forgets it and just feels the hips and the ass slap or whatever my mind blocks out the difference in size for the most part.
Vrsumo2017 my 28 pounder
00:20 min: OMG, it's so heavy!
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/birthday-surprise-from-tiffany-rousso-52377?t=20
