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Yes, but no longer in Mistika, I am manually adjusting each eye in premiere since it's fisheye and the passthrough scenes are in fisheye mode, I just take some fisheye footage from my R5C and adjust each eye individually when I key in my own custom backgrounds on their passthrough scenes. It's not a perfect match but I have it pretty close now, with a little fisheye curvature on the far edges, which I dont personally mind because I'm never looking at the far edges anyways, even though I am using a pimax headset. I still have some tweaking to do, my computers comes to a stop when I try to edit this live using the live preview on premiere, i just dont have enough ram I think for all this and my CPU starts crying haha

My best passthrough experience has been taking some of my old k2 pro footage I still have and simply keying that as the background for their passthrough scenes shot on a k2 pro as well. Unfortunately I no longer have my k2 pro since I upgraded to the canon system, so I dont necessarily have much footage that will work as a background, never really expected to be doing this at this point when i still owned it haha But for the couple of shots I still have that actually work out as backgrounds, one of my bed and the other of my living room floor, they look incredible. I even took a little bit of time to adjust colors and exposure to try and "match" them a little more while also cleaning up the greenscreen spill a little more, and they look incredible because my custom background is the same resolution as the passthrough scene haha

metichemsi Scale looks really good.

When she put her face to the camera outside it gave that hyper real feeling and the BJ scene the camera placement was perfect which is rare as most producers put the camera too far towards the male talents head.
Downside is the camera was left in the same position for cowgirl which led to a poor viewing at that angle. This is basically the Achilles heel of most videos I have seen. Camera tends to be left in 1 spot for BJ and sex which is difficult to pull off as usually one will suffer over the other unless a middle ground is found or alternative new camera position which obviously adds to complexity time for production.

Off topic from the scale;
The video seems soft if it was from a true 8K source and not upscaled. Data rate didn't seem that low so not sure what seemed off about it. Still looked good.
Low noise/grain in footage was nice for bedroom part.

a month later

Part of the problem is that production team got greatly disconnected with user side of things. They really enjoyed shooting on Canon, yet didn't realise how poor the quality is. Also I'm surprised video-editing team didn't notice it either.

We really need someone in the team to get on top of it so we can get a sense of every aspect of the camera and post-production. Hopes @Sandi_SLR can make things work

    doublevr I wouldnt say the quality is the issue with the canon system. Poor focusing and scaling are the only gripes with the system, when shot correctly the actually quality of the image is not matched by other systems.

    If by quality you are also including scaling then yes

    Hunky-Dory I dont know if you actually use the system or color grade, but contrast and colors are not an issue with the camera but with the crew who shoots and they dont know how to shoot correctly to maximize dynamic range and the colors are from the post production team. Basing on the kind of colors they render out from their k2 pro scenes, its an active choice they are making or lack of proper color grading skills.

    The R5C is a full fledged cinema camera with high dynamic range so dont tell me it's not good enough for porn haha
    Get proper crew that know how to use it and color grade, then we can have that discussion. I'm sure netflix would also not certify this camera if it had shit contrast and colors haha

    Anyways, yes the scaling is an issue on closeup subjects, canon did not make this lens for porn where everything is meant to be within a meter of the lens. The IPD of this camera has a further sweetspot between 1 and 2 meters away

    doublevr Part of the problem is that production team got greatly disconnected with user side of things. They really enjoyed shooting on Canon, yet didn't realise how poor the quality is. Also I'm surprised video-editing team didn't notice it either.

    The quality on the Canon wasn't poor at all. Why do you spread such false information?

    Some people had issues with the scale, especially on their Quest 2 rigs, but the picture quality was much better than anything you ever produced on your 6k rig. That's just a fact.

    Hunky-Dory you are probably just a porn consumer and not more familiar with the production side of things, but that's ok. Just dont assume a camera is not "good enough" because some amateur producers give you bad image quality out of a camera. They dont know how to use the camera, let alone expose and shoot properly on RAW with correct color correction.

      metichemsi you are probably just a porn consumer and not more familiar with the production side of things

      Ageed that this comment is tone-deaf. You admitted that the Canon rig is "not made for porn" and that the sweet spot for scale is 1 - 2 meters away. If that is the case, the camera is, indeed, shit for VR porn. You can't just go on about image quality and color grade and ignore an issue like scale in VR. VR is all about tricking the senses into immersion, and 5' 2" girls looking 7' tall screws that up so bqadly that extra image quality and color correction don't ameliorate the harm.

        Will65 you need to read back on the thread before you make baseless points. I was merely telling him that his criticism of the cameras contrast and colors being bad, which is absolutely wrong. This is a cinema camera and just because these amateur porn studios dont know how to properly use a cinema camera does not mean the camera does not perform well in those aspects. I actually agreed with him on the scaling, because its not meant for closeup subjects, so get your intel right

        Will65 You can't just go on about image quality and color grade and ignore an issue like scale in VR. VR is all about tricking the senses into immersion,

        People need to learn that "tricking the senses into immersion" can work pretty differently for different people...

          Hunky-Dory I am out of touch? You apparently know nothing of the technical capabilities of the actual camera you are making claims has shit contrast and colors????? I agreed with you on the scaling part, not the other issues. I was letting you know that those other complaints are due to amateur users, not the camera's shortcoming.

          Also, by the way, i have no affiliation with SLR so I could care less about your subscription, it has no effect on me. I do this crap on my own and I own and operate all of my equipment and dont sell any of it anywhere. As far as SLR is concerned I am just another consumer of their content just like you.

          spacepirate
          There is no standard VR cam suited for VR porn since there's simply nobody producing these cams specifically for porn. All good rigs are custom made and tailored to fit the purpose.

          LordCrash that may be true but I can only speak as a consumer and I have found most of FuckpassVR and VRHush content for months utterly unwatchable with the Canon 8k camera. Not only is the scaling way off in most scenes but the women’s bodies and the surroundings are actually distorted out of shape. The picture quality is often grainy and shit as well.

          You don’t need to go to this awful camera when plenty of other sites manage to make scenes look great without it.

            petermc You don’t need to go to this awful camera when plenty of other sites manage to make scenes look great without it.

            You don't need to get back to SLR's shitty 6k camera either...

              LordCrash People need to learn not to argue about perception with people with advanced degrees in perceptual neuroscience 😉

                spacepirate I don’t really stick around long enough to notice! You can literally see pictures on the wall though that convex inwards towards you and, in doggy style, the girls ass is totally misshapen. That’s without even mentioning the whole giant size issue. The owner of VRHush/Fuckpass said months upon months ago that they’d stopped using the Canon 8k for their new US scenes (the Euro crew never used it) but that they had some stuff already in the can to be released. Unless he lied, it’s crazy how much of a backlog of scenes they shot with this that they’re still releasing these botched scenes so many months later. Does no one quality check their own scenes? Surely the issues should’ve been picked up after a few scenes not after 100.

                  Will65
                  Perfect example for people with advanced degrees who still know pretty much nothing,

                  2 months later

                  New cam alert, sounds pretty good, guy say 8k live streaming

                  Here's another cam, called calf, guy says no stitching needed and you can edit videos in your vr headset with the app calf, I downloaded it and it's kinda like a vr tiktok 🤷‍♂️ it's free on side quest by app lab

                  Teche looks good but it only does 30fps, and CALF would be almost unusable for VR porn, have you seen the weird artifacts it adds at the top and bottom, it's like a bad AI fill. The footage is ok for subjects not within a few feet from the camera but can you imagine how bad that would look from a POV.
                  I think its great that more and more companies are putting out new cameras, I love it, but these are just not it. The only real good cameras by these chinese companies are the FMDUO cameras which are insanely expensive but can do 12k in 30fps or 8k in 60fps.
                  I'm still willing to bet that a few more manufacturers will get in on the action and we might get a better camera in the next year or two.

                    metichemsi Teche looks good but it only does 30fps, and CALF would be almost unusable for VR porn

                    Oh. 🤦‍♂️

                    Still cool looking cams tho.
                    I'm waiting for these cell phones to be able to film vr 180, that be cool. If it ever happens. 🤷‍♂️

                      doublevr Super excited about this. Will you guys be doing a recap or offering more info on what exactly you did to your lens? I'm dying to see a pic of your Frankenstein creation.

                      Vrsumo2017 Theoretically it should already be possible, we got phones recording in 8k, all we really need is a dual 4k camera setup on a phone and there is no reason why we could not have a phone these days that can at least record close to the Evo levels. Obviously it's a little more complicated than that but it's definitely doable, specially if you offload the conversion to a computer software instead of doing it real-time on the phone. It's just a matter of anyone actually wanting to go that route at this point. We have already had 3D cell phones with 3D screens, so it's not that far of a stretch really.

                      doublevr I see yall liked the hand tracking gifs..

                      Did yall just start this slr blog? Cuz I've never seen a blog section, and I can't find how to get there with out clicking on that link you posted. 🤷‍♂️

                        Vrsumo2017 Did yall just start this slr blog? Cuz I've never seen a blog section, and I can't find how to get there with out clicking on that link you posted. 🤷‍♂️

                        If you scroll all the way down on the SLR site you can see the link. It's been around for quite a while now 🤓

                          Will be keeping my fingers crossed that this works. The larger IPD gives me hope that we won’t have the same scaling issues at least. Still I’m not getting too excited until I see it in action.

                          doublevr

                          Sounds cool!

                          66mm sounds a little wide. Maybe that was the best IPD given the optics on the Canon RF lens. I’m sure you guys did ample testing. Looking forward to seeing the results.

                          Could you remind us again when the scene is finally released? So we take a look at the fruits of your labor.

                          Idk where to ask this, kinda off topic

                          But quest gonna have an update soon suppose to make it run smoother, vrgamers excited about it. 🤷‍♂️

                          Here's tweet from meta

                          Here’s what’s coming in v55, a 🧵

                          ⚡️ Higher clock speeds on Quest 2 & Quest Pro

                          📈 up to 26% increase in CPU speed for Quest Pro and Quest 2
                          📈 up to 19% increase in GPU speed for Quest 2
                          📈 up to 11% increase in GPU speed for Quest Pro

                          Gotta go fast 🏃

                          ...
                          Does this mean anything for vr videos as well?

                            Vrsumo2017 its good news but clock speed increases dont come for free. it means higher power consumption and more heat. if using apps or games that give the gpu or cpu workout youll get less use from a single charge and the headset will also run a bit hotter (or louder if they increase fan speed to compensate). they are some pretty big clock speed increases so it could be an intentional ploy to reduce the lifespan of quest 2s so people will upgrade to quest 3 🤔

                            shouldnt affect vr videos much if all app settings remain the same. if you use the headset in standalone mode it will give some more performance headroom for increasing render resolution and running higher levels of autofocus and sharpening.