Competitor PT lighting

herauer

harigeharry
How does it make sense for you to keep saying SLR looks much better if you haven't looked at any new videos from ARPorn from the last year ?

ARPorn stepped up there game this year. They have released a lot of good quality videos with good colors and details that makes the scenes look real. The only issue I have is that they can sometimes still mess up the scaling on laying down parts of a video so the person can looks like a giant. This was a huge issue with the old ARP videos and it is less of an issue today, but it still happens sometimes.

SLR have good scaling for all parts of a video but worse colors and details. The passthrough videos either have a red tint or completely washed out colors. I still enjoy watching SLR videos but compared to ARP the SLR scenes have less details even if you download the videos.

Kolaches

harigeharry yes, that's exactly my point. I have issues outside of just "crispness", so for me downloading might help a little but there are still issues outside of that

harigeharry

herauer Fair enough. You guys got me curious, so I'll be taking a monthly. I already ALMOST took one when I saw they shot Raissa Bellini, so will do that now. Let's see if they indeed improved.

harigeharry

I haven't even watched it yet on my headset but I just downloaded that Raissa video and ARporn is STILL releasing 75 mbit/sec videos, no improvement there compared to last year. Compare that to SLR's 120 mbit/sec and that alone is a huge difference. But of course, bitrate alone is not the whole story, will check in more detail soon, bit busy right now

harigeharry

BTW I find the model choice from Arporn extremely disappointing. But then again, same can be said for SLR, I almost never download an SLR original anymore, all the same type of boring 'girl next door' type of girls. Looking at the upcoming 7 SLR originals, there's not even one that I care about, all exact same type of girls (ok Melissa maybe not but it looks likes she's getting fat, LOL). I'm into the barby type of women, like this one coming up tomorrow: https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/curvy-thick-ig-model-gets-fucked-outside-kim-cashian-96869
And going by the comments below that video I'm not alone here. Not sure why neither SLR nor ARporn seems to shoot women like this, while studios like Virtual Papi or Teddy Tarantino can, but their video quality lacks of course big time compared to SLR. It's frustrating.

Anyway sorry for going offtopic, LOL, just disappointed with arporn (and slr originals too for that matter)

Silly-Sausage

The problem is there are so many variables - The main one is download or stream, everyone knows download is a million times better quality, but streaming is good for convenience but pretty shit image quality whatever they try to tell you 🙂

The player makes a massive difference as some have optional colour profiles and some are set, some users will use a different colour profile for personal reasons in DeoVR that doesn't align with the recommended profile and some users don't have a clue how to use Heresphere due to the complicated interface.

Users have different headsets, obviously the most popular one is Q3 or maybe Q2 but they will all have different colour profiles bulit into the OS, but again it's obvious to me hey all give a different experience.

We could all argue which is best until we're blue in the face, but unless you give info regarding headset choice or player preference then it's impossible for the developers to find a happy medium cause they are working in the dark.

I personally think all that is needed for SLR / VRSpy passthrough to improve is to implement seperate encoding settings for passthrough with a non-variable bitrate set at 20,000-30,000 and to tone down the overall saturation as although the red is predominent, if it was toned down it will look good as colours will still pop.

I've probably missed something, but who care's ?

Another problem is enshitifcation of products - SLR have already said that to incorporate the new cameras with focus issues they couldn't care less as they want to future proof regardless, so the downgrade is acceptable in their eyes.

I'm actually thinking they have reached their peak regarding overall quality as i'm just watching scenes over and over from a year or so ago.

Just my opinon...

harigeharry

Ok had some time to watch arporn and I must definitely say that I agree that their quality has improved over the last year. Will need to do some more comparison but the quality difference with SLR isn't very big imho, while the SLR bitrate is way higher, my initial conclusion thus is that ARporn somehow seems to utilize that bitrate way better, they might have better camera gear. WIll need to do some more comparison though. But I'm indeed positively surprised by their improvement over the last year! But regarding lighting, I actually feel theirs is a bit too dull. But that's of course personal.

Watching on a Galaxy XR

doublevr

try these out
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/812-adjusted-color-pt-97591
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/823-adjusted-color-pt-97593
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/823-regular-color-pt-97592
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/812-regular-color-pt-97590
and let me know

bboy7895

Silly-Sausage Downloading isn’t that much better than streaming. I’ve already tried this experiment before, and the difference isn’t that noticeable. You only truly notice the difference in video quality when you go from PCVR to standalone. That’s where you can really see the difference in quality.

harigeharry

bboy7895 It's SUPER noticeable on a high-end headset. Not sure what you mean about difference from PCVR to standalone. Of course the downloaded file should be played without recompression. What I personally do is I save all downloaded content to my PC where I have jellyfin installed and then use a player on my headset to stream from my jellyfin server. On my Galaxy XR this really looks way better than streaming directly from the website. Besides I really hate the player control from SLR, keeps showing stuff I dont want to see, like a pointer on my hand that just wont go away, and flips back menus onto the screen when I dont want that etc.

Also of course the difference is the biggest for the highest bitrate files like the SLR originals, that come at 120 mbit/sec. I think streaming only gives you 30 mbit/sec, at least it was that last time I checked. ARporn streams at the full video bitrate, so 75 mbit/sec, so ARporn downloading doesn't improve quality. I think that's why people are saying arporn is better, because they're comparing 75 mbit from arporn to 30 mbit streaming from SLR.

I think the difference between downloading SLR HBR files and streaming them from the website, should even be noticeable on a regular quest 3.

harigeharry

Actually I just measured and it seems SLR is nowadays streaming at slightly higher bitrate than last year, about 45 mbit/s. I also now seem to remember a thread where @doublevr indeed claimed they had improved streaming quality, so that indeed is the case. But still, that's nowhere the 120 mbit/s that you get when you download the SLR HBR original files. And I just measured arporn again and unlike SLR they're indeed streaming at full quality of their videos, so 75 mbit/s, they don't stream a lower quality version like SLR does.

So yeah if you just stream from the websites, arporn really has better quality, even more so because it seems their cams/post processing is even a bit better than SLR. But again, downloaded SLR HBR content is at least as good as ARporn in my opinion, maybe slightly bettter but honestly I dont see much difference there anymore, in that case ARporn quality seems pretty close to SLR imho. ARporn indeed improved there since last year. Which is of course great to see that there are a few studios that really try to bring the best quality. VRSPY is one of those too btw, there are a few.

harigeharry

BTW I also feel that there's a difference among SLR originals, I think it's the director. Some SLR original videos look better than others. In general I feel most AR videos are not as sharp as non AR.

Kolaches

harigeharry "somehow seems to utilize that bitrate way better, they might have better camera gear" definitely agree with this. Either camera, or something in post with the colors/saturations or something. Idk what it is but just as a user the difference is night and day

doefi3

harigeharry downloaded SLR HBR content might be a big step up from streaming, but yeh the streaming bitrate should still be higher. Id download everything if i could for improved quality, but most people wont as its extra hassle, and more importantly doing so you loose the main standout SLR feature -AI PT. Really wish we were given the ability to download and run AI PT locally, or higher streamed bitrate so could be able enjoy ai pt in higher quality

doefi3

harigeharry "BTW I also feel that there's a difference among SLR originals, I think it's the director. Some SLR original videos look better than others." this is definitely true. Before we lost Alex Nash, every time i saw his name on a vid you would know right away you would be getting a much higher quality looking video, than other directors like for example George which Way worse, guessing because he has lower quality camera. AdrianVR picture quality tho could use improvements mentioned in this thread is also noticeably better than George.

Silly-Sausage

bboy7895 Downloading isn’t that much better than streaming. I’ve already tried this experiment before, and the difference isn’t that noticeable. You only truly notice the difference in video quality when you go from PCVR to standalone. That’s where you can really see the difference in quality.

There has been improvements with streaming and i use it myself as i think Ai Passthrough is incredible technology as i've said many times, but IMO downloading is the best option for me, but you do what works for you 🙂

Silly-Sausage

Here's what i think might be the issue, i'm sure i will be told i'm wrong but hear me out.

I personally think Passthrough scenes and Non-Passthrough scenes probably need different encoding settings regarding saturation / colour.

With non passthrough scenes real life colours are irrelevant up to a certain degree, high saturation to make colours pop is pleasing to the the eyes and as the background also has this high saturation applied as it's part of the scene it isn't noticeable.

However, if these same encoding settings are applied to a passthrough scene, although the high saturation is applied to the performer, the reality of your personal surrounding is possibly grey and dull especially in low lit rooms, so the blend of the 2 is a massive contrast making the performers look too red or out of place as is being pointed out by several user

Btw: obviously i understand that i can use player colour options to blend the two in passthrough, but i think it would help as a starting point to have a closer blend to start with.

Anyhoo... food for thought !

DannySLR

Hey everyone! Just a reminder to take a look at our tests!

Regular (old) color grading
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/812-regular-color-pt-97590
New (adjusted) color grading
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/812-adjusted-color-pt-97591

Regular (old) color grading
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/823-regular-color-pt-97592
New (adjusted) color grading
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/823-adjusted-color-pt-97593

Please let us know what you think about adjusted grading. Any feedback will be appreciated. Thank you!

Silly-Sausage

DannySLR If users approve a particular encoding from this list willl they be applied to non-passthrough scenes also moving forward ?

If so this could totally ruin your worklow as i've tried to articulate

Has anyone seen the movie Austin Powers where he's trying to turn round in the tunnel on that evil golf cart type thing - This is me trying to communicate the basics, it's such hard work, but the incompetence makes me chuckle

Btw: probably the funniest scene ever put on film apart from the shin whipping scene from 'Dirty Rotten Scoundrels' - in context of the movie

VRHotwife

harigeharry I would just like to point out, that solely comparing bitrate is not an apples to apples comparison. There are tips and tricks to make 60mbps look better than 90mbps... trust me, I've compared my 60 to others 60, and others 90. The interesting thing to watch is textures on solid colors that tend to "pulse" at the bad encode settings

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