Competitor PT lighting

soempen

I just saw these on the computer and it looks more natural in color to me! Good improvement imo 🙂 I haven't checked in the headset yet but I can see its not as red as before.

DannySLR

Hey everyone! Thanks for the feedback. Please take a look at our new tests on SLR Labs.

https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/795-passthrough-new-v01-98081
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/795-passthrough-new-v02-98082
https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/795-passthrough-new-v03-98083

DannySLR

Silly-Sausage we will do more tests before updating our pipeline.

Silly-Sausage

Too be honest i've got a gut feeling this is all gonna end badly and ruin non-passthrough scenes which apart from the downgrade in image quality recently and bad close ups that are now far to close the colour is now gonna get ruined too.

Please don't adjust the colour on non-passthrough scenes as it's currently a happy medium.

Instead of just adjusting the passthrough scenes to make them look slightly more natural everything is gonna look yellow or orange which is impossible to colour correct in players, whereas red tint is easily adjusted with a slider.

Anyway, enough of wasting my time, i'll leave you in peace to get bad advice.

Silly-Sausage

DannySLR V3 is my favourite, it has the best saturation / colour and sharpness IMO, the other two don't pop and look lifeless with lack of depth.

Close ups are still shit 🙂 - i just wish there was honest conversation to explain why this is - is it a directors choice, is it a new camera which you haven't quite worked out the correct distances, is it a camera focus issue - It's hard to give feedback if we don't understand what has changed and therefore give feedback why it may look worse.

All i know is my favourite parts of SLR and VRSpy are now ruined by the director as it's his choices that have made it worse !

BTW i really hate the arguement that in real life that you can't really focus on a girls pussy or nipples while sucking or licking and by doing this it makes it more realistic in VR.

In real life i wish to god i could focus on a girls nipples and pussy and it's visual stimulation and VR gives the opportunity to get around this, but for some reason you choose to make it out of focus with double vision without the added bonus of feeling and being there.

It's a lose, lose situation and feck those who are all about realistic immersion - It's VR FFS !

Just to add the first time i noticed the overall drop in quality was the 2 scenes in the batrhroom which i think was Gracey Snow and Leana Loving in separate scenes, the overall image quality was lacking and the close ups were absolute pants (self censored), maybe down to lighting due to relatively new location, but again it could be anything

That should be enough for now to get someone's hackles up and to get the 'full on immersion' keyboard warriors spitting out their Doctor Pepper (cause they think it's cool) in distain.... can we just rewind a couple of years ?

Dandelion and Burdock is for us real coool hipsters that used to rub it into our nettle stings on bike rides through ginnels on their Raleigh Choppers - I had a pink 5 speed chopper that i still have the scar to prove as i jumped Evil Kinevil style at least 200ft, maybe less 🙂

I also had a Raleigh Chipper in Blue (UK)

soempen

Okay so I have tried to look at these 3 versions both on computer and in the headset. It's not easy I can understand that 😃

All three are brighter than the original (the released video on SLR), maybe slightly too bright because looking at the knees for example in missionary they seem to hit max in a wider area?

I like v1 color, the other two are a little red again but not as much as the original. I see that v1 is more flat looking, but it also becomes less shiny then in certain spots, and I guess that depends on your room how you like it. I watch AR in a lit up room or with daylight because what is the point otherwise? Then I think that matches better after my own tuning in the headset.

I can't see much of a difference between v2 and v3, a little more contrast?

So v1 with a little lower levels, I would be happy with that. I can live with v2 contrast too if that's how others want it 🙂

But I'm just a user and no video professional, and I dont watch in DeoVR very much so maybe there is a different result there.

Thank you for your time looking at it!

Silly-Sausage

Quote: But I'm just a user and no video professional, and I dont watch in DeoVR

Says it all - I'm also a user that doesn't use DeoVR all the time but i understand that your userbase is totally orientated towards using this player as a base model and anything that works well outside of that is a bonus.

But i also use DeoVR for scenes that i have purchased for Ai Passthrough and convenience when i don't have my server online, the thing that i have noticed is for whatever reason, Istill don't understand is the colour profiles change from day to day and has frustated me to the point of madness and questioning my own judgement.

Any feedback i give is in the main, using DeoVR as the main player - The only time i give feedback regarding other players is if they look exceptionally bad or to lambast the poor quality of certain features in DeoVR.

Tell you what.... i give in... you are totally changing your Colour Profiles / Encoding settings on someone that doesn't even use DeoVR ?

3 or 4 people including myself have said it looks a bit red, so what ? don't ruin the happy medium for the sake of a few comments

The truth is instead of upping the bitrate your gonna ruin the colour profile of passthrough and non-passthrough due to this post - Is he the mesiah ?

I did warn you about this post

Silly-Sausage

VRHotwife I would just like to point out, that solely comparing bitrate is not an apples to apples comparison. There are tips and tricks to make 60mbps look better than 90mbps... trust me, I've compared my 60 to others 60, and others 90. The interesting thing to watch is textures on solid colors that tend to "pulse" at the bad encode settings

It's all about finding a happy medium for all parties - What is your starting point or lower setting of bitrate ?

I could easily say willy nilly that the best bitrate is around 50,000 which may be true is certain cases, but as you probably understand having a bitrate above a certain point results in a much higher file size without really improving image quality - I personally think we have now found a happy medium regarding 8k to keep file sizes under control and that IMO is 20,000-30,000 as a basic release, however obviously there are many variables involved in certain scenes with high speed movement or foliage etc.

The truth is most users couldn't give a hoot about bitrate / framerate / saturation / Alpha Mask or Quantum Physics

That being said when you have a 1 hour passthrough scene that is only 4.64 gb that looks like it has quality issues - then it's pretty obvious to me looking at the file info that yes the bitrate is the issue it really does't take soneone with basic knowledge to understand that something is amiss and the automatic endoding is ary - The natural response from professionals is to address the issue rather than ignore.

https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/mia-river-in-your-room-90013

VBR's can be awesome in certain circumstances, i personally use it to save space on movies that really don't need a high bitrate. But when you have a media right in front of you face that is totally dependent of framerate and bitrate encoding then you can't cut back as currently the format is not good enough to make cuts.

al7

bboy7895 what is your headset?
This just not true for high resolution headsets.
I use Quest 3.
The quality difference between downloaded studio masters and streaming version is too visible.
But the master must be high birate about 100 Mbps

al7

bboy7895 Downloading isn’t that much better than streaming. I’ve already tried this experiment before, and the difference isn’t that noticeable.

what is your headset?
This is just not true for high resolution headsets.
I use Quest 3.
The quality difference between downloaded studio masters and streaming version is too visible.
But the master must be high birate about 100 Mbps and higher.

bboy7895

al7 I have both pico 4 utlra and the quest 3 bro. You wanna see the difference between quality? go try standalone quest 3 then try pcvr, and then come back here and talk to me..

al7

bboy7895 you can even compare to some old low birate 2k vr videos. What's your point?
Some users including me want to see the best possible quality.
It's Virtual Reality, right? It should look as real as possible.

soempen

"So what?" Well it's the purpose of this tread. Isn't it better if it fits more users? You can change it to red if you want but as it is now I have a hard time to remove it.

About levels for me all 3 test versions are nicer than what is now. It's easier to lower levels yourself if it doesnt suit you, than to increase something that doesn't exist. But I understand if you think it works better out of the box for ppl with them being lower.

Although it could help with your bitrate issue too to increase levels since the codecs usually cut details in dark stuff 😃

metichemsi

Yea its not about the background being darker for whatever reason, the models are always darker in general compared to AR. It's like SLR color corrects with a overall darker contrast and colors look like they are unnecessarily saturated beyond needed. They dont quite realize that when we use AR, at least for me, I do so in a very well lit enviroment because that is what give the PT cameras on the quest 3 the best resolution and least amount of noise so the models should always be lit and processed in a similar fashion which is why I will jump to a monthly AR sub just to get more of their recent scenes after a while. They generally do look better overall.

bboy7895

al7 what are you even saying? Im telling you, the difference in quality is not that noticeable as make it seem here. Go watch standalone then try pcvr and tell me, then you will see the difference in quality and frame rate.

al7

bboy7895 I can't watch streaming versions because of low quality. It's super visible on Quest 3. The only option for me on Quest 3 is downloaded studio masters.
PS my internet is 1 Gbps and i always use max quality. I check streaming versions 1-2 times weekly. Because of download limit for scripts. If not the scripts limit I'd watch only studio masters.
Unfortunately not many studios upload masters of high quality and high bitrate

harigeharry

ARPorn recently has upgraded their camera, their latest few scenes are damn good, that Gal Ritchie scene must be the best quality AR scene out there, beats SLR for sure, sorry to say that guys, but this quality is just insane! And that at lower bitrate than SLR, imagine if SLR shot AR with this type of camera quality and then release it at their usual 120 Mbps ...

VRBangers also recently upgraded their cams, really hoping SLR will follow soon, you guys usually are industry leader but are now lagging behind 2 others, what's going on here 🙂

leaoyaoxi

harigeharry Is arporn already shooting in 8K? do you mean upgrading to 16K, or just switching to a different 8K camera?"

harigeharry

leaoyaoxi They upgraded to a 12K camera. Their releases are in 8k. But their 12k cam looks in quality pretty close to the Black Magic cam if you ask me.

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