VR Porn dying ?

alphaRonaldo

Silly-Sausage Yup, seen that a lot especially in the euro vr scene. I guess it's either the same vr camera maufacturer they cling on to or as you had mentioned once - they use some common vr editing studio that does this orange tinge work.
And all of this is cyclic. We point it out. After a few months they consider the feedback. Those corrected scenes take their own time to release. Users are happy. That editing studio gradually slips back to old habits. And now we are back to square one.
And once in a while some american studios probably offload editing to that same european studio for budget reasons and we are back with orange tint. I'm looking at you badoinkvr.
Give it to the japanese studios for their consistency. It's hard to find much fault in their work once they get something right.

I get your thoughts on the focus part. But i think it's how studios have transitioned to vr from regular stuff, they've had a lax attitude from the very beginning.
Regular porn was good enough with a decent handheld camera and decent framing skills. No focus issues here due to autofocus.
Meanwhile VR has complex, bulky and expnsive cameras. They need to keep switching lenses based on close-up vs regular shots. Angles, positioning.... And the learning experience where everyone has to be on the same page from the actors to the directors to the camera crew and nobody has a vr camera lying handy to learn from.
Basically a gazillion dials for a not yet mass market ecosystem and budget constraints.
Considering all this, I sorta get why they might not be actively looking out for feedback, atleast as of today.

Silly-Sausage

I personally think VR porn is an expensive leap of faith that many are not willing to take.
You can't go into a shop and have a test wank on a headset to see if it's your thing, most people don't talk to each other about porn and recommend VR Porn to each other and because of this they are unsure about investing in something they don't really know anything about in most cases.

Apart from the headset you have to get a comparitively costly subscription which isn't needed with 2D porn, yes there is free stuff, but please don't post links here.

So unless you are very serious about porn or into VR gaming then it's quite a leap of faith IMO

However, as gaming companies (especially Microsoft) seem intent on destroying their gaming sector by outpricing users, then these people will want to spend money elsewhere on affordable products and i personally think with the incoming gaming crash this could be taken advantage of with clever marketing, but what do i know ?

I've been a gamer all my life and i think this current pricing structure is to purposefully destroy the reliance on consoles and to get users onto full digital gaming so they have complete control over pricing strategy - Which equates to i'm out, i'm done with gaming, even if they pull back now, these latest consoles are reliant on internet support and they can change direction any time and fuck you over - Gaming crash is coming and it is welcome to teach them a lesson.

Always, make backups and don't make yourself reliant on sources you have no control over - God help the young and naive from real life 🙂

I think you nailed, it's probably all just outsourced to a colour blind guy for cost saving purposes with little to no effort put in to colour correction as the masses don't give a shit - At the end of the day all these shitty studios releasing shit quality crap affects the whole industry as people start to lose faith, but that's another issue that we're supposed to ignore.

thatoculusdude

Lurks as with anything in life, diversify! I'm now way deep into PT content, so I ended up subscribing to another platform for more proper PT content! So whenever SLR or the other site uploads PT with natural-looking girls (I don't like heavily tatted or silicone), I have a blast 😊 I'm also now buying funscripts to use with my Handy and, finally, being able to enjoy my JAVVR catalogue that I neglected for years because of the lack of scripts.

IDK, I have to admit I'm not using Deo or SLR as much as I did a couple of years ago, but my consumption has certainly increased! The key here is not being a doomer because of what you feel SLR is doing. They clearly store usage data and can analyze it to direct their production pipeline and deals, so if you see more "out of shape fatties and rediculous silicon lips and titties all over" as you described, that may tell you about the SLR userbase and where they are making money, not the picture of the industry as a whole (including asian/Japanese market as well).

Lurks

@alphaRonaldo I think i shouldnt have mentioned 3D TV in this concern, my mistake.

@fenderwq - you definatley opened my eyes.
_Like most guys have families or a gf or whatever, .... _
This of corse narrows the number possible of VR users down to a very limit.
Would be interesting though how the real number are, i guess SLR would't provide any statistics for us.

OliverDK

Personally my issue with VR porn is that it's 'dead in the water' when it comes to attract people that doesn't fall neatly in the cookie-cutter vanilla porn. And I'm not seeing it getting better as I waited for a decade for it to change. I'm not blaming anyone as we are stuck in the sort of egg and chicken situation - where no one that desire VR porn outside the cookie-cutter vanilla content won't buy a headset as nothing peaks their interest and content producers won't create said content as they rightly fear they won't sell any content.

Currently I'm keeping my hope on AI. There's plenty of AI tools that can change voice and mouth movements already which imho could make content personal (speaking your name and in your language). There's still ways to go of course and it needs to be open source but my guess is a year or two and we are there where you with time and effort can get decent results. This could really spice VR scenes up imo.

Redhulk50

Lurks I get what your saying , I actually want to see more fatties, more natural chunky models with hairy pussys , less silicone boobs , less Donald duck lips . I find the majority of the models in VR are too skinny . I would also love to see more older mature models , more videos of solo models masturbating , changing lingerie, underwear, stripping off , more erotic , more new studios , some of the older studios can be boring and you know whats gonna happen , same camera angles same set up etc
I find myself watching 2d porn and saying this looks amazing I wish this was in 3d VR .
VR needs to be more natural like some of the 2d porn, let's have more voyeuristic VR porn with different camera angles that move with the models instead of static angles .
VR porn needs to up it's game .

adinihsan

There is plenty of variety on SLR, not everything is catered to you but to a broad audience.

This thread is the equivalent of guys in 1910-20 saying (video) porn is dying. Porn dates back to the 19th century do you think it steadily rose to the industry it is today? Of course not.

VR is young and the main issue is actually not porn dying but all OTHER types of content dying or being absent entirely.

-no one has surpassed Valve’s 6 year old game
-no one has tried a fully fledged (non adult) VR movie
-no live sports coverage
Etc. Etc. Etc.

The adult industry is arguably pushing VR to its limits the most, aside from racing/flight simulators

acjackson2431

I don't think it's 'dying' but I do think it is definitely 'stuck in a rut'. It doesn't seem like anyone is trying to be creative or trying new things anymore. For me it seems like every single 'new' scene is the same exact script, same positions, same order, everything identical except they swapped the girl out. I can identify a Nash scene in about 2 seconds without knowing anything about it, just by hovering over the thumbnail and watching the 5 second preview, and see the girl laying close halfway though the action.

This gets old and boring real quick. I'd love to see more varied scenarios, like 'Modern Relations', that one was amazing. I also love an actual theme/story element that they stick to rather than just generic meet up and fuck. Blake Blossom's 'Pampered: Relationship Therapist' was awesome in this regard. It followed the exact same formulaic position template, but because it had that extra story layer, it made it extremely hot. Old WankzVR videos also did this extremely well, and it kept things feeling fresh.

VR porn needs to keep trying new things in my opinion. It should do more cinematic storytelling, like 2d porn. It doesn't HAVE to be stuck in the 1st person 1 scene only rut it's in. This is why 2d porn still is great. It can be an actual movie that tells a story and has multiple scenes, rather than just a gonzo single fuck. I'd like to see more of this in VR. Voyeur scenes are extremely hot to me. I don't need to always be the one fucking.

HughMungus

acjackson2431 I agree about the story. Having a good storyline that the girl references a lot always takes a scene to the next level of immersion.

Lurks

"Immersion" thats the magic word ! I do not wantto put the discussion on a nother level, but Immersion could be be a main issue. at least for my taste Male Hands do not belong in front of the camera when not necessarly needed. (Do i have 4 Arms ? - > No ! ) - Then most studios especially on solo videos do not care about the position of the model relative to the camera. I mentioned that in another places several times, porn movies need to be directed too. Its so easy to tell a model for example to keep her butt in line with the sofa seam to prevent camera offset so she can always properly estimate the camera angle and position /especially when turned backwards). A butthole shift of 20cm to the camera breaks the immersion 300%. Ok , its probably not THAT easy to estimate a proper distance to the camera when doing close up kissing, but hey this couldbe easily solved too by a simple try end error before taking a shot. What else ? I think you know what i mean Immersion Wise. Studios dont seem to care.

justanickname

Lurks
exactly
at least the person who works with that hella expensive camera should know that

BungaBunga

I'm a simple guy. I don't like complicated porn, and to be honest a lot of the scenarios people ask for do nothing for me. That's fine, everyone likes what they like. I just want straightforward 'girl / girls fuck guy (and each other), everyone knows what they're here for and they get on with it'. No surprise that my favourite 2D genre was POV gonzo. From that perspective, there's plenty of material to like here.

What I have noticed is that the girls are getting, frankly, a bit mid. Now, it's always been variable, and hot is in the eye of the beholder etc, but just generally, it seems like there are fewer super-hot stunners around and a metric shit-tonne of meh Euro and US girls who would still be way, way out of my league, but don't catch my eye or do much for me, and fewer girls who I see for the first time and think 'oh, hello!'. So when you get someone who is stunning coming along, she tends to become the flavour of the month (see: Carolina Guerrero right now, or Athena Vega a while back).

Whether this is because more girls never even enter the studio scene and just go direct to OF, or less girls want to do VR, or girls who would have considered a move into porn have equally profitable avenues to take advantage of their natural talents without taking dick on camera, I don't know.

What I do know is, I don't like it. Is 2D porn any better now? Don't know, I don't follow it and have essentially no interest in 'flat' (and I personally think SLR should stay away from 2D porn full stop, but hey, I don't dictate their business policies).

Technical execution has always been variable. There are plenty of super-small studios / creators on here whose production values are, at best, mediocre. But making VR porn is an expensive business. Offering a true package deal where they can rent the right equipment and experience from a studio like SLR, at an affordable price, might go a long way towards fixing that.

Does this mean VR porn is dying? Hmm. Well, if quality has genuinely dropped, and it's not just my impression, and people stop subbing because of it, then yes, it will die. But I think we're a long way from that now. I don't think the answer is trying to cater to all niches, because there are way too many of them and you can't make everyone happy.

alphaRonaldo

Porn market is atleast 5-6 times the size of VR Porn.
All the issues I hear - varied talent, varied positioning/angles, varied scenarios, varied directing, improved production quality(people building tools/software for things like angle correction, actor distance,...), autofocus missing in VR, VR cameras that directors love to use, more 8k content, higher scene release cycles... and so on........... Almost all of it is solvable when a good chunk of Porn market is captured by VR. VR needs more eyeballs using it casually. We need scale.

If your grandma can comfortably use a VR headset for all day use while going on about her day the way she can with a smartphone, it's solved.
For VR Porn, smart glasses are the perfect carrier for market adoption.

I'm not understanding why there's hardly an interest for this in the forum?
I feel like I'm missing something. Can someone answer this for the life of me?

crabtime99

Was wondering this exact thing and clicked on forums, curious if anyone else thought the same, and this is the second topic I see!

90% of the content: fatties, butter faces, grandmas, stick figure women, low resolution or tiny scale. Just mountains of unappealing content. Wish that SLR could put NaughtyAmericaVR videos through their AI filter.

Picouser

acjackson2431 For me it seems like every single 'new' scene is the same exact script, same positions, same order, everything identical except they swapped the girl out. I can identify a Nash scene in about 2 seconds without knowing anything about it, just by hovering over the thumbnail and watching the 5 second preview, and see the girl laying close halfway though the action.

Well said. I agree 100 %. I dont understand why Nash is doing this? Maybe if scene would be perfect and there is no way to improve. That is only reason to make "copy". If you have watched VR porn even a little bit you know how to improve. I feel so sad Nash is considered the "best vr porn director". Even more sad is we really dont have better 🙁

Adrianvr

Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. We’re expanding our production strategy this year. New directors will get a chance to try VR, and Alex Nash is working on fresh approaches to bring new types of experiences. Don’t worry everything you already enjoy stays.

We’re also working with studios of all sizes and encouraging them to bring new ideas, and we plan to sign more independent amateur creators to VR as well. More variety ahead.

petermc

For me VR Porn is hampered by a number of things. It’s not dying but it’s just stuck in a rut and not attracting new consumers or creators. The issues for me are:

1) You need an expensive headset and very good WiFi connection to watch it. When I say expensive headset, I don’t mean you have to buy one of the more expensive headsets, just that they are all expensive and you usually end up buying expensive accessories on top of that like better headstraps, prescription lenses etc.

2) It’s cumbersome to use, not really portable. You can’t just pick up your phone and watch porn, you have to go somewhere comfortable and put the headset on.

3) There’s very little variety in the content, everyone is shooting the same type of stuff. The VR porn fanbase are very averse to anything related to actual porn. No fake tits, no tattoos, no anal sex, nothing out of the ordinary. They are not welcoming to change and, in turn, the studios seem to just pander to the customers they have and anything out of the ordinary gets shouted down. 2D porn caters to almost every fetish and kink out there so there’s something for everyone. VR porn is really just about fairly straightforward standard sex. You even struggle to see things like girls deepthroating a dick as VR fans think it’s “unrealistic that normal girls can do that”. They don’t want something that feels like porn, they want to pretend it’s like a real sexual encounter with a normal girl, not some skilled porn star who’s sucked dick a thousand times and has skills.

4) The whole VR porn system of a couple of big aggregator sites basically giving you access to everything. This also stifles creativity as there’s hardly any standalone VR porn sites doing their own thing. Everything goes to SLR, has to fit their guidelines and, as it’s same old subscribers watching. These 3rd party studios eventually conform to making the same stuff as everyone else. VRPlayful are a great example of this. They came out of the gate doing different stuff, long form stories, intense rough sex, anal sex. Eventually though, within 4 or 5 scenes, they were browbeaten into making the same vanilla porn scenes that everyone else makes because that’s what gets the likes and the views from the long term VR diehards on SLR.

5) It’s not easy to make. You need to invest in expensive equipment to film it and have the expertise to use it. Content creators can’t just film stuff with a mobile phone or small camera like they can in 2d porn.

I just don’t see it growing much unless things change. I think there was probably a bit of a boom when Quest 2 was launched and VR became much more accessible than before. That boom has ended though and unless we can get some creators catering to people who want to see more hardcore porn, you’re not going to get those people signing up or buying headsets as the message out there is that VR porn is boring as fuck.

justanickname

I mostly agree with you, but...
2d and VR can't be compared at all, from my experience, on the flat screen i like to watch pretty much everything except for some really "extreme" stuff, but VR is different, i literally can't watch non pov bg stuff, even threesome mmf or orgy with pov included is tabboo for me in VR. This reaction of my brain was a huge surprise for me.

vrpicasso

We're at a hardware plateau and will be for a while, because the tech has matured to being "good enough". So the excitement of new headsets and cameras has entirely evaporated. Models come and go, often finding money through social media and OF instead of porn, but hot new talent is still hitting the industry as one path to fame and fortune (they just won't hang around longer than they have to). This is a niche yet mature industry, with limited potential for profitability and certainly not enough potential earnings to take risks. So this is it, for now.

What will change the industry is primarily the uptake of headsets - I see next gen smart glasses as a way to get a VR-lite experience into the hands of tens of millions of users. Until most people have access to VR, in the same way they have access to a phone, not much can change.

doublevr

vrpicasso hardware is easy, software and content is hard

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