New SLR director

rerun119

I have a guess who DR. VRAIN is but will leave that to the experts

First off I want to say that all of this is for constructive advise from one person being me. So that you can get a better idea of what the average VR porn watching guy is.

I like @JohnStrong when he is the guy playing "me". He knows where to sit. His dick is average size for the most of us. He is a good height for the camera. I do wish he would mix it up on his sex strokes. It's 10 minutes of 1 and 2 and 1 and 2. Try to act more like real sex and less like a robot. But not slapping and butthole licking. That's not what normal people are doing.

I like the idea of the beginning with a story being told even with the guy talking. But I don't want to see a 50 year old man at all. For that matter I don't want to see any dude that is supposed to be me. You can still shoot the beginning without showing an old guy (I'm around the same age and still don't want to see it).

This brings me to the major point of it all. In 2d you see the guy. This IS NOT 2D in any way. It is completely different. Stop trying to shoot 2d porn plots in VR. They don't work. I delivered pizza's for years back in the day and this does nothing for me as a VR porn plot. We don't have money so fuck us, how is this SexLikeReal?

There are so many things you can do with 2 hot girls. Pizza guy for your "first" shoot is like thinking of the idea on the drive to the house. Even if I want to watch it and try to act like it isn't a completely unrealistic scenario I can't because they keep being it up. Throw all your 2d plots in the trash.
Why not have the guy be a Football star? That could be a real scenario. I could believe 2 hot 20 something girls would want to fuck a 50 year old.

Question to the directors because they seem to have been around porn for too long. Why do people like the 2d site Bang Bus or whatever it is called? Because there is the idea that maybe this is real. This is why people like it and VR takes all of these to the next level.
Unless you are shooting a gang bang or cosplay or something like that. If you thing in your mind that this idea probably hasn't happened to almost nobody, then it's a bad VR plot.

Please do not waste these hot girls on pizza guy. Go do that 2d.
I still like SLR for trying to get more directors and hopefully they will get better. I liked VRhythm first attempt and think he would get better fast. He understands what we are looking for.

Now you guys can tell me if I am right or wrong about this.

petermc

Porn isn’t supposed to represent real life sex. It’s a fantasy. The girls are hotter and sluttier than you’ll ever fuck in real life, the guys have bigger dicks than average dudes in real life. The sex is more adventurous and kinky than what most people have in real life. Stop trying to make porn like boring real life sex.

VRHotwife

petermc so... you're saying... that I don't have a chance?!! SAY IT AIN'T SO!!

OliverDK

petermc Stop trying to make porn like boring real life sex.

Current VR Porn is mostly boring imo - same scenarios, same positions, same formula, mostly same actresses, mediocre acting with exceptions, sterile studio environment, simpleton porn talk, gringe rolling eyes to simulate pleasure, women that act like braindead fuck dolls instead of real women, etc. I could go on and yes I'm generalising.

The best VR experiences for me are currently those that tries to emulate real life sex. Sadly most directors are clueless as to how real life sex is. It can be slow and passionate but it can also be raw and hardcore.

And I'm not saying I don't want 'porn'. Issue is that there's no actual fantasy and imagination in the porn we get. It's like 'you can get your VR porn anyway you want, as long as it's fits in the formula we used for the previous hundred scenes'.

Vrsumo2017

petermc Porn isn’t supposed to represent real life sex. It’s a fantasy.

I heavily watched the over the top porn sex, was all i watched, but 9 years in im kinda liking the natural sex with less porn lines and exaggerated moans. Im good with Non pov or pov.

petermc

VRHotwife I’m generalising, admittedly, there’s obviously something for everyone in the wide world of porn. I’m talking more about mainstream professional studio porn like SLRO, WankzVR etc.

Looking at your latest scene though, that hardly represents the type of sex that most couples are having. It’s pretty wild porn style outdoor sex.

VRHotwife

petermc is that a good thing or bad thing? Porn is supposed to be about the fantasy, isn't it? Granted much of what I film is generally based in reality, but some is just people playing out a fantasy and being creative with sex. I think you are talking about the cheating girlfriend on the boyfriends car scene. That was just them having a good time. That's why we have so much fun doing it. I really am married to Sierra, we really are swingers... and the scene from MARCH 7th REALLY was a couple that we'd been to dinner with probably 6 to 8 times, partied some with, but had never played with. They wanted a 3d video and revived an old OF page just so we could put the 2d there. The DVP for both was on a whim because I figured they'd both like it, and I KNOW Sierra likes it.

petermc

OliverDK I just think VR porn is already very tame compared to flat porn and I know people will assume this is about anal sex but it isn’t. It’s rare you even see a girl deepthroat a dick in VR. How often do you reach the end of the scene and see a girl looking a sweaty mess with her makeup messed up?

There’s a place for intimate “realistic” sexual encounters but, equally, there’s a place for “fuckdolls” having wild, nasty pornstar sex. VR seems to occupy this boring middle ground. It doesn’t particularly do the real intimate sex storyline stuff, it does cliche porn storylines instead but doesn’t follow through with actual wild porn sex.

I understand that the POV medium restricts things to some degree as it has to be quite static but VRplayful managed to get in some squirting, manhandling slapping, anal etc. Seems like they were then told to back off on that and just make generic dull scenes.

So yes, give me immersive realistic stories and performances (have some imagination though, not just having regular sex with your girlfriend) but also give me slutty porn stars getting railed everywhere. I like a bit of both.

LickLock

from my perspective I'm okay with whatever cliche porn story the directors feel like using in VR... as cliche as a maid that keeps bending over to clean under furniture, and stepping on a ladder to dust the curtains and chandeliers, for me thats a great VR porn story - as long as they dont keep muting the audio to feed the girl lines and quips like some studios do....

oh and the ass licking thing thats definitely a NO...

VRHotwife

petermc THAT is exactly what we try to do. We want to have fun with it and don't go into any scene with a "shot list". it's just go with the flow and let them enjoy it. Static POV does remove some of the personality of the scene because a guy like "the flesh mechanic" or "Johnny Arana" is VERY charismatic... but that personality gets lost behind the camera because they can't toss and turn them, and you don't see his facial expressions. They make very entertaining 2d scenes but would be a challenge to capture that in Static POV. That's actually why I like the way most of our stuff is filmed. I enjoy watching my favorite pornstar perform but also get to jump in with her most of the time. I try to get a little POV if the guy lays on the bed because I know most people want that. But, it lets the mattress actresses and actor truly act how they do. I hope that makes sense and I wasn't rambling

OliverDK

petermc There’s a place for intimate “realistic” sexual encounters but, equally, there’s a place for “fuckdolls” having wild, nasty pornstar sex. VR seems to occupy this boring middle ground. It doesn’t particularly do the real intimate sex storyline stuff, it does cliche porn storylines instead but doesn’t follow through with actual wild porn sex.

Somewhat my point. My issue goes a bit deeper as the reality I see is VR porn turns anything into repeating the same formulistic scene. Here's a 'mommy' scene. 2 minutes after the actress awkwardly 'confirms' her role the scene just evolve into the same autopilot scene where I have to do the fantasy in my head. Here's a GFE and the same thing repeats. The list goes on.

That's why I find VR porn mostly boring. There's no egde, there's no actual sexual fantasy, there's no creativity, etc. It's rinse and repeat. I'm not saying there's not exceptions as there's some masterpieces like in my case Penny Barber' scenes but they are months if not years apart.

I say make scenes that goes all out. I hope you get your rough fcvktoy scenes. It's not for me but I want more VR porn to cater to actual fantasies 100 %.

rerun119

VRHotwife I really am married to Sierra, we really are swingers..

This is not a typical relationship. That is fine for you and I have no problem with your lifestyle or the kind of porn you want to make. But
The cheating on your girlfriend story has been done 1000's of times in porn. I have watched it 1000's of times in 2d porn, partly because porn directors seem to think that is what everybody wants to see. It isn't
Maybe not for your type of VR but VR porn is not the same medium as 2D. To me POV VR is completely different than watching people have sex in 2D. 2D is watching, POV VR is pretending to be the person in the scene.
I don't always want to pretend to be cheating on my wife. Sometimes I want to pretend to have a different life with a different wife just having a sexy night with my loving wife.

It doesn't have to be GFE all the time. I have seen tons of really good scenes that aren't GFE. They just need to be sexy and hot with a immersive feel like it is happening for a reason to get into the story. In 2D you don't need any of those things. You are just watching people have sex to get off. Again VR is different unless it's NON POV.

Look at the numbers with 2 hot girls from the latest SLR scene. I am trying to explain why they aren't as good as other scenes by SLR. I guess it is hard to explain, you either understand the whole giant point of what people are looking for or you don't. I don't think @petermc and I like the same kind of VR porn but I bet we both know a well shot scene when we see it. I guess it takes a horny guy that has watched a lot of VR porn to understand.

This isn't directed at @VRHotwife it is just trying to tell all directors what is good and bad VR from again one persons point of view

petermc

VRHotwife it’s a good thing. I’m not really looking for non-pov stuff in VR but, in general, yes it’s a good thing. I want to see wild crazy fun sex in porn, it’s supposed to be fantasy. My initial post was in response to the guy who wants VR scenes to be like ordinary people having ordinary sex.

rerun119

VRHotwife Your "Seductive Lingerie Tease and Handjob" is an example of understanding what we/I are looking for when it comes to POV VR stories. It is not a corny 2d porn story. It seems like something that happens to lots of us regular guys. Or at least something that maybe we could talk are wife into. Believable and hot.

xeddin1

rerun119 why not write your own script? I think without a doubt you post on this forum more than anyone I have ever seen. For the most part you are talking about the same thing. Write the script.

rerun119

xeddin1 I don't know how to write a script but I could give it a try.

rerun119

xeddin1 When is your next scene?

VRHotwife

OliverDK Can you elaborate on the "sexual fantasy" that you speak of? I realize that most of what I live with Sierra is a fantasy for many people. You love the idea of being married to a porn star (for lack of a better word). I try to show from my perspective what that is like. Many guys have threesome fantasies, some would be better at it than others... but in VR you've been pretty close to seeing what it would actually look like. So much so, that you may actually do better in a threesome than many other guys. I've been around the swinger world for about 5 years now and I try to think back to what my fantasies were and how do I portray that in a VR video. Sadly, a majority of the "fantasies" for guys stop at a threesome and that's been done. I really do love getting ideas and want to try to incorporate them. I don't have the budget of the big studios to pay the actresses like they do, so I work off content trade with the models until my views, and thus income, go up. I truly will experiment with things and most women we shoot with love getting new ideas.

xeddin1

VRHotwife Have you tried cumming twice in a single video? I have seen this maybe once and the video got very good reviews.

OliverDK

VRHotwife These concept of sexual fantasy is porn that excites your brain and not just your dick. Watch the majority of VR porn today and you'll see that the sexual fantasy is fantasy in the title only as almost any scene after a few minutes will develop into the same formulistic porn scene and the fantasy is non-existent.

I for example enjoy mommy roleplay but the reality is while it's one of the more popular kinks in 2D with between 10-25 daily releases on ManyVids alone its scope in VR porn is extremely limited and what we get is more than often just a 30 second introduction comprised of something like; 'Hey Joe, your STEPMOM told you to clean your room, what do I have to do to motivate you. I know... I could suck your cock' and what follows is an ordinary formulistic autopilot sex scene without any reference to the roleplay.

Now compare that to a Sydney Harwin roleplay scene and that involves build-up, exploration, constant reinforcement of the role, seduction, intimacy, mix of softcore/hardcore, change of clothes/scenery, often multiple instances of sex scenes in the same scene, after sex cuddling, etc.

There's just light years between the two. One speaks to your cock alone and the other your cock and your brain. The first is a monotone passenger scene and the other engages you and draws you in.

You can replace 'mommy roleplay' with most kinks, niches, fetishism in VR porn and the same thing plays out.

And I'm not really asking for every scene being a Sydney Harwin style scene. I realize that just porn has its place and a lot of people just wants a 10 minute wank while looking at some tits bounce and they couldn't less about sexual fantasy and that's fine. I hot jo issue with that but the sad reality is that most VR porn simply only caters to that group.

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