Ok, so why is it that for so many scenes, the male talent barely touches the woman's boobs? I started searching this on many videos and was surprised to find that there are a ton of videos where there's only about 10 seconds max in a one hour video. This isn't realistic sex. I want more videos where the dude has his hands all over those tits because that's way more realistic. If anyone has examples of lots of boob play then please share them.

    hapday It is because there is a group of people that freak out about hands being in the way of seeing the boobs.
    I am on your side about it makes it feel more realistic. I wish the guy would do lots more things that would make it look and feel more real.

        It's really noticeable when you scan through a video quickly and then realize she's barely being touched by hands. Yet she "orgasms" like 5 times. They're called funbags for a reason! Hands don't break immersion when done right. Hands should be on boobs regularly, waist, back of head to pull her closer, to reposition her a little. That at least gives me a reason to believe she is enjoying it. I often look for where both actors hands are at to see if they are touching. It brings a little more intimacy when I see they are actually holding or touching hands. It's the difference between just sex and intimate sex.

        rerun119 It is because there is a group of people that freak out about hands being in the way of seeing the boobs.

        The vocal minority ruins another thing. It's more on those that listen to one or a few people because it's usually based on greed and lacking any integrity.

          8 days later

          Duly noted... I've even gone so far as to hold Sierra's hands down in the middle of a scene in missionary with another guy. I touch and tell others to do so as much as they can reach.

          hapday This pressure to avoid any form of physical contact with the girl comes from people requesting passthrough videos. Every scene has to be passthrough. I've said it. There's no holding, caressing, spanking, boob grab....there's pretty much no role of the guy other than to be a dick, mindlessly thrusting. This also makes hardcore scenes feel more vanilla, where the guy can't even get a hold of the girl. Remind me of a time when you’ve seen a respectable hardcore scene. There would hardly be a few.
          I never expected vr to go this way but sadly I see almost all studios catering to this.
          I'd like to know how firm or supple her body is, but it ain't happening.

            That's a good point about passthrough. Maybe there's a way to get the best of both worlds. Passthrough immersion but still boob play and hands all over. I'd like to see a good example of that.

              hapday This is the balance most studios have come up with. The guy wont touch the girl. The same is expected from the girl. I feel this is why we don't see much of jav style caressing where she holds our neck or arms during missionary, etc.

              For studios that didn't intend their scenes for passthrough, the comments would still pesture them .
              Case in point, this scene from KinkyGirlsBerlin:

              And I don't see studios attempting hardcore positions like this as his "hands would be all over" right. Haven't seen this position for ages. Imagine making this position compliant for passthrough. You can't:

              I don't have anything against passthrough, but this constant pressuring of studios will make them do it if that's what they keep hearing. Studios are being pigeonholed into specific positions and actions for passthrough compliance.

                Its slightly ridiculous that studios ignore feedback 99% of the time and yet somehow in this one case they listened to a "vocal minority".

                I don't know about vocal minority, I think there are quite a few of us that don't want to see the guy's hands. That being said I do enjoy boob play or the guy touching the girl occasionally, but when he is touching her too much it ruins it.

                For example doggy style is almost unwatchable because in every seen the guy has his hands on the girl's ass constantly.

                  hapday
                  Especially for non-POV videos, and there are a lot these days, there's no reason not to have a lot more boob play.

                    user854 For example doggy style is almost unwatchable because in every seen the guy has his hands on the girl's ass constantly.

                    Where would you like his hands to be? I looks dumb if the guy just stands there or rocks back and forth imo.
                    I want him to grab her and really fuck her at least every once in a while. Otherwise what am I watching ( it's supposed to be me) and I don't just stand there irl. 10 minutes of a guy not moving or touching, boring

                      10 days later

                      This whole issue seems to be about passthrough. I don't think passthrough is taking over all videos any more than VR gaming is taking over console gaming. It's cool but doesn't seem like an everyday thing. But what do I know? So here's some (probably not good) suggestions.

                      • videos with hands and boob play get tagged "designed for non-passthrough" so people won't be disappointed when trying to watch them as passthrough. Viewer knows what they are getting when starting the video. This should help the passthrough viewers experience from being ruined.
                      • studios could make two versions of a video. one for passthrough (guy lays there) and one for non-passthrough (guy does what the viewer would do). Viewer knows what they are getting when starting the video.

                      Its probably been said before but its highly unlikely that a majority of studios take into account SLR's AI PT when filming. Again, studios generally don't listen to the feedback from audience (note: fuck your one-off exceptions). Why in the hell would they choose this one specific thing to adjust? How is bitching about man hands in SLR AI PT going to get attention when the 1000 other problems studios have with filming VR never get fixed?