SLR Drive Vision and Future

doublevr

Pilky123 i think we will be dropping Bluetooth devices support by the end of next year. Should be offering SLR toy by that time.

adinihsan

milky97 Funny how people can think so differently. A good 8TB hard drive is around $150, why would I pay $30 a month to rent 2TB of storage? I cannot be bothered to juggle local storage since it is dirt cheap, why would I go through the trouble of juggling cloud storage at all.

I guess I get it as a business decision from SLR, I'll just enjoy the one vid that fits for free and take it for what it is.
Its a shame though, the AI has become impressive. The PT is fun sure, but the scripts... damn they're actually good now I never expected this a while back. The fact that we get 3 AI DL a month still baffles me and now this... just renting and/or ridiculous pricing.

As with any commercial company, SLR will tally the (wallet) votes and decide, usually consumers f*ck themselves in this regard so I have little hope.

silentcoder

I agree that the subscription price seems too high. We should get a x amount of credits with our current paid subscriptions. With x being at least, greater than or equal to 5. Paying an additional $29.99 is too much. Especially for us unemployed currently, trying to survive and still enjoy the features of this site. 2 TB seems too much also.

doefi3

Like others mentioned only 2 credits is kinna low for subscribers, also $9.99 per Ai pt download hopefully is only for nonsubscribers which is fair, but imo should have number of Ai pt downloads available to subscribers for free

fenderwq

Okay here is my take

30 monthly credits means 15 AI videos (if you want both pass-through and scripts like me). That's 1€ per AI generated video which seems fair to me. If it was much more than that I'd do it once or twice but only for scenes I'd really like. At this price I'd actually use it.
At 500gb with scenes being around 17gb you get 30vids capacity. Too little to keep your favorites and rotate some new scenes at the same time. You'd constantly need to think about what to keep and delete. Not a huge deal in itself but troublesome when you consider:
- Uploading takes several hours per scene and generating AI several more. Also it's manual work, your pc needs to be on, etc. In other words it's a lot of effort to add, re-add. I'd get tired of that quickly.
- When you delete a movie you basically lose your credits so deleting a scene "temporarily" isn't really an option. Having to rebuy credits for scenes I already generated would make it seem like a very poor investment to me.
- For this to be attractive we'd need a way to keep your generations. Ideally download them or at the very least keep them when you generate the file or something.
9.99€ per passthrough download is redicoulously high. I think you should just be able to download what you generate. It's not like SLR drive on top of a regular and normal slr subscription isn't like your paying a lot already.

So, definitely interesting but too sum it up. I'd feel very space constrained by this but paying much more then 15€ a month doesn't sound very realistic to me either. This is an issue that needs to be addressed. I get that cloud storage and the whole infrastructure is expensive but it will need to work well for your customers to become a success. The obvious solution would be to allow downloads of the AI stuff but if you don't wanna do that there needs to be another way to make this more workable.

doublevr

fenderwq 9.99€ per passthrough download is redicoulously high. I think you should just be able to download what you generate.

it takes rendering on top of it. also we don't want downloads. for those who really want it should be ready to pay

GenericUser3

I have 12TB of VR video. It’s not as many videos as you think, about 800 or so (₃ videos per week curated the last 5 years.) So 500GB cloud space to convert all these videos into PT won’t work without the ability to download the masks and delete videos from the cloud to clear up space. If I understand correctly, it would take me several thousand USD to download all the masks of these ₈₀₀ videos at the 9.99 per video price point. That is well beyond what I’m able to spend. For me, I would need more space on the cloud or a more realistic price to download the masks.

I prefer watching locally anyway It’s just a much faster experience than trying to stream 8k video when you don’t have really fast internet.

doublevr

GenericUser3 I don't expect there will be a mask to download. AI PT is streaming only

Hairsational

The whole thing sounds kinda nuts to me:

Paying that much to rent AI PT masks/scripts, without any ownership
Having to rent vast amounts (TBs) of overpriced online storage in order to be able to consume some comparatively tiny masks/scripts
Only having access to a limited number of masks/scripts at any one time (as many as you are willing to pay the overpriced storage for)
No downloads

I'm obviously not the target market though

SchnuppiLilac

• Keep the free option for two videos for hooking people up
• For access to full Drive functionality, charge a low monthly price (max. $5) as an upgrade to the regular subscription (like for scripts).
• Drive can hold up to 100 videos.
• Charge for the generation of the derivatives instead for storage, by selling credits. $0.50 per AI PT mask, $0.50 per AI script.
• Provide the option of pausing the Drive without losing all the derivatives. When users come back from their break, they will obviously have to re-upload their videos, but they will not have to pay again for the non-downloadable derivatives because they are still in the library of their user account. Not losing the derivatives may eliminate the need for downloading.

rftd1995

Would like to know how botched AI Passthrough videos will be handled. I haven’t heard back yet on one of mine. Will it be fixed/reprocessed? If so, how long will it take? If not, will I get my credit back?

I will also echo that as a premium member I’m only willing to pay so much more extra a month for Drive. More around the $9.99 per month for 500 GB and 15 credits with monthly rollover.

exzeth

Same. As a premium user, not willing to shell out $10/video when it should be included with your subscription price. $10/month more, sure. Also about the botched PT videos. Mine was messed up it's unwatchable.
Also not having a PT download option for drive, if it's going to be available for other videos is a deal breaker as well. That option right there is what I believe most people will want to do. Take their favorite videos & add passthrough for viewing offline. It's going to take some time to engineer all this to get working correctly. Hopefully SLR listens to it's customer base & appropriately makes compelling decisions.

ttv34

I agree - not paying a huge additional cost for this, especially when my existing cost only includes what is it, 3 script downloads a month?

I would be more lenient if you could download the AI PT and script. Then I could say pay a higher price to do loads of videos in one month, then come back repeat in a few months or something like that

I know a profit needs to be made and storage costs money, I think the higher the price, the less ROI SLR will get because less people can afford or think it’s worthwhile.

ttv34

Bulk uploads would be good so I could e.g drag and drop 5/10 videos or something and it’d do its magic

doublevr

You people get outrageous give us things for free and even more.

Makes no sense to discuss

ttv34

doublevr delusional mindset and/or reply. No one is asking for free AI PT etc generation. Very cool, great tech and impressive, we’ve all supported it, but the proposed prices moving on… Read the room dude.

From a long term loyal customer who very rarely posts in this forum.

ttv34

doublevr makes no sense to discuss download limitations either isn’t it? Any plans so we could pay more to download more without AI PT?

tricky666

Everyone got different needs i guess ;D im currently sitting on 92tb scraped in xbvr,,,so i got my own vrtube site local. BUT i really enjoy the ar stuff lately, only thing is i can only think of like maybe 30 i would like to have in ar. So i actually would be willing to pay per video+download. Not very interested in a cloud based setup at all.
Hoping for a homebrew version someday.

4c1dr3f13x

The average rental price for 2tb of cloud storage is anywhere from $7-12 USD per month, the question is whether or not the value add for something SLR specializes in, particularly Passthrough conversion tokens for one's video of choice, is excessive to the price folks can make peace with, and whether or not SLR is going to alter the deal later after already taking the money.
Like the increasingly limited download cap.

shankpot12

I don’t care about storage at all- from my perspective, the product you are selling is the AI pass through here (I don’t care about scripts). Storage is only required because you are limiting the availability to download pass through. You could easily offer a solution that offloads storage to the consumer where you only render the PT then we have download access for a week or something then it gets wiped. Saves you overhead outside of maintaining a enough temporary storage plus processing/rendering and you are then specifically selling pass thru as a service.

The business plan you are spitballing now could easily lead to cease and desists from other studios once they realize people are hosting their content on your website and paying you for that.

sogman

shankpot12 True. Im not sure who came up with these prices. When we just paid $300-400 for a SLR account there are some expectations people have. Nobody is saying everything should be free, but 2 credits that take a month to regenerate? Thats just an insult. Also I paid an extra $100 for scripts, what does that mean 1 complementary script? By the end of a month I doubt Ill even remember. And this $10 a pop otherwise. Most people dont even need half of 2tb offered. Tons of video editing programs out there, like $15 or $30 a month program like Runway on a junk pc and you can click a model, AI erase any background, quickly render and pop out 4k+ videos all day very quickly and easily. Many as you like. SLR's alternative was supposed to be easier and better, and paid account people were assuming they would have an advantage they dont have. Why would I pay SLR $30 a month for a handfull of video when I could do it myself for half the price and produce as much as I want? I still have to upload them and give them a name and tag art etc, half way there. A 4tb refurb hard drive on amazon is like $40. I just dont understand why anyone would think this is a great deal. Whoever came up with the pricing may have just priced themselves out when they didnt have to, this could still have been the big new thing we were excited about

Rotoscoping is cheap and everybody is doing it now. The rate AI is going in another year who knows maybe the drive will be obsolete and Ill be glad I did not pay in. SLR acts like they are the only ones who can do this in what they are charging and thats a shame.

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