Passthrough production feedback and improvements thread

obilisk2450

alkory
Completely agree with minimizing the laid back positions. This applies to both VR and AR. Usually, the closer the model is, the better.

obilisk2450

petermc
If you were talking about regular VR, I'd agree with you. I would prefer if the male actor was a little handsy occasionally. No problems with "fuck backs" at all. But in AR, it completely ruins immersion.

I feel like this is the biggest roadblock for AI Passthrough vs Native Passthrough.
Traditional VR viewers prefer the natural handsy and fuck back movements. They don't want to give that up just to facilitate AI passthrough. AR viewers want the male models to stop doing all of that so the videos are more compatible with AI passthrough. The more compatible it is, the more immersive it is in AR.

petermc

obilisk2450 I don’t disagree with the immersion element, I totally get, from an AR perspective, why hands/movement is an issue, it’s not really about my preference. My point is that, if you make all these restrictions in order for AR to work properly, it will not be a good experience to perform in them and you may find lots of performers won’t want to be involved in those scenes. Like I said, some girls already refuse VR as they find it too cold and lacking in intimacy. We’re now talking about going to even further extremes where the guy can’t even move or touch so it’s even less interactive or intimate. You might as well just have a girl bouncing on a dildo at that point.

Wendigo

obilisk2450 Traditional VR viewers prefer the natural handsy and fuck back movements.

No, they dont. I want to handcuff their hands behind their damn back.

MickyCheese

Suggested Improvements:

Avoid male hands obstructing the model's body
Need closeup missionary shots where the model is lying on the bed and the camera is close to her face. Seated missionary is not the same.
Camera needs to be closer to the model's face most of the time, in most positions.
Lighting and color correction needs to be closer to home environments (try mixing studio and warm lights, use less direct lighting)
Avoid furniture props, like stripper poles, because most people don't have one at home.
Get rid of leaning back shots, where the model is leaning away from the camera. Instead have the model lean forwards, her face should be close to the viewer's face.
Avoid side to side motion this makes it difficult to align with the stunt cock.
Move the subject further away from walls this will prevent green color spill on to the skin (currently, there is still a little color spill).
"simulated 6DOF" needs better tracking (it shifts too much, i.e. the girl is not pinned to one location in 3d space. Moving closer or further is not accurately displayed).
More intimate scenarios, most people are viewing at home so the scenario should match that environment (e.g. GFE, cheating, taboo, hot date, escorts, 4th wall break directly talking to the viewer, etc.)

Takeway: Shooting AR correctly is more challenging than VR, because the environment changes from viewer to viewer. Most people are viewing at home so the production needs to be more intimate and match home environments (e.g. lighting and scenarios).

fenderwq

MickyCheese good points. I wonder though if it might not be better to color correct the passthrough feed instead though as good lighting is very important for video quality.

fenderwq

As for 6DOF:
It should work with the repositioning in all directions option which is very important for alignment especially in passthrough.
Also you should be able to lock a distance in place like in heresphere. Setting the distance to something like 65cm would fix you cock in place even if you move your head from side to side or up and down.

doublevr

That's an interesting turn:

Would using a male sex doll make production any easier? I'm not suggesting a partial torso, but a full size doll.

The head could be removed allowing better camera placement.

The doll could be painted eliminating the body suit.

The doll will always be the same height and body shape.

The penis could be swapped out for different shoots, flesh, black, passthrough.

Hairsational

doublevr Also it's cheaper and there will be no people complaining about hands. You don't necessarily have to paint the doll either. Putting it in the body suit might work.

harigeharry

doublevr Wow I love that idea!!! You guys should 100% explore this! I'm sure it will work WAY better in removing the penis as well.

The only negative this has of course is that non PT viewers will enjoy it less. But I guess that's just a fact of this game. In order to make PT better, sacrifices need to be made that will make the non-PT experience worse. That's just how it is unfortunately. When I used to watch flat porn (feels like ages ago lol, stone age) I always loved it when a girl would get 'fucked back' but with PT this ruins everything. It's just how it is.

paulsy101

doublevr That's an interesting turn:

Would using a male sex doll make production any easier? I'm not suggesting a partial torso, but a full size doll.

The head could be removed allowing better camera placement.

The doll could be painted eliminating the body suit.

The doll will always be the same height and body shape.

The penis could be swapped out for different shoots, flesh, black, passthrough.

This could work and save production cost on male performers. It would take some special acting skills on the part of the female talent to generate any kind of realistic chemistry with a doll though.

And just think, this could be the future of PT cumshots LOL!

vrpicasso

doublevr I would be ok with dude dolls if the chick doesn't shoot B/G and this is the only option. Otherwise, I dunno man, it's not hardcore anymore.

Hairsational

harigeharry The only negative this has of course is that non PT viewers will enjoy it less. But I guess that's just a fact of this game. In order to make PT better, sacrifices need to be made that will make the non-PT experience worse. That's just how it is unfortunately.

PT haters like me aren't watching it.

harigeharry

Hairsational Yeah that's something that SLR has to keep in mind. They're going to create content that a part of the community will love and the rest will hate it. It's divisive. Then again, the part that loves PT doesn't really have much alternative, there's no website out there that offers PT at least not at this quality. I think for now the best would be to offer PT content and then in the best possible way (so not caring about non PT viewers, just create the PT content in the best possible way) but just in a not too high ratio. Maybe 1 in 4 or 5 scenes PT and the rest normal content. I guess that would be a way to keep most happy, although for me personally of course I'd want 100% PT, but I'm realistic enough to see that right now that would come at the cost of SLR losing viewers.

And then when PT takes off even more (and I KNOW it will, it's just a matter of time and better/more affordable PT headsets) and other sites start offering it too, THEN it might become time to turn things around and offer more, or even only, PT

Hairsational

harigeharry PT will never completely replace VR

harigeharry

Hairsational I do believe it will become dominant in the coming years. But in the end when AI becomes really good, a combination of VR and PT will win, it will be a reverse process: VR scenes with the viewer being projected into the scene. So, the viewer as the actor in a VR scene. That way you will have best of both worlds: maximum immersion within any possible scene of choice. And then it won't even be true video anymore at some point but more like VAM, so based on 3d models. Right now personally I don't care too much about VAM, although the video quality is now getting pretty good, it's still too far from being even close to real video right now, that it doesn't even really excite me, but that's of course the real future of porn, some kind of VAM scene in video quality with yourself projected into the scene.

harigeharry

BTW this future I just painted might come sooner than later. Some of the VAM models are getting pretty realistic like: https://hub.virtamate.com/resources/cleo.43973/
How would this work when they'd project the face/body of a porn star onto such model? I guess that would pretty much be like that volucap tech that @doublevr described in that other thread https://volucap.com/3d-humans/

Right now what I hate most about VAM is that it's so cumbersome and and the scripts are just too 'robot' like. But would it be that hard to take a real porn scene and have AI recreate that for such 3d model, so translate a real scene into script? Anyway probably should post this in a different thread 🙂 But it feels like we're getting pretty close to such future.

LOL I just found by googling this site that this had been discussed before and that Naughy America is already doing it!! Open this website in your Quest 3 browser: https://www.realgirlsnow.com/ and select PT mode.

However the quality is just too low to be a real alternative. But damn, the potential is there for sure!

Wendigo

paulsy101 Why not have a guy in a grey body suit bounce a blow-up doll up and down on a fake torso? Then you don't have to pay anybody.

MickyCheese

doublevr Definitely worth trying. If it works well, SLR's casting pool will grow significantly because you can include models who only do Solo and Girl/Girl scenes.

It might be challenging to shoot positions like closeup missionary with this though. We'd also miss out on creampie finishes.

harigeharry

Yeah missing out on real cumshots is definitely a thing. But other than that there are lots of advantages as pointed out here above and by yourself. Really looking forward to SLR exploring this idea.

Then again I wonder how it feels if they can have your own penis blow out all that (fake) cum, could yield in a nice effect too LOL

fenderwq

We already have a few examples of this on SLR. They where okay but didn't really work for me. The cumshot thing is one important aspect but the other aspect is that I have yet to see a dildo that did a half convincing job of actually looking like an actual cock while being sucked and fucked by a girl.

Then there is the dynamic of the scene. Girls usually act differently when they do solo scenes (with a male torso). They tend to be less intense or something/ or lack something, hard to put my finger on. But if I had to guess it must be very different doing a solo scene as opposed to fucking an actual guy even if he is wearing a alpha suit. Probably also depends a lot on the acting skills and experience of the girl though. Can see someone like Kira Perez pulling this of with easy while a new girl might really struggle.

alkory

fenderwq this exactly. I think girls don't react the same fucking a doll rather than an actual male talent. I'm skeptical the scene would be as real and dynamic as with a male talent.
Also the lack of real creampie/cumshot = big nope (unless you can swap the doll with an actual talent for "the ending").

fenderwq

alkory haha would be the funniest job ever.

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