Passthrough production feedback and improvements thread

stefanno

My 2 cents

In passthrough viewer pretty much needs to mimic what's happening on screen, so it's important that positions are natural and comfortable. As much as i love variety in regular vr, I'm not likely to stand in place or plank for 20 minutes.

A feature I'd like to see is an improved color correction, - having lighting color and levels close to what's happening IRL adds a lot to immersion. I don't have studio lights at home, and that unfortunately creates a separation. It might sound weird but i found some poorly lit videos to be more immersive in passthrough

Improvements to "fake 6dof" are needed, at it's core it's really cool, but too clunky to use. You need redo the set up with every single video, and readjust tracking every couple of minutes.

For stories, i think you can really shine with many "at home" scenarios. Gfe, cheating, hookups, escorts, 4th wall breaking talking directly to the viewer etc.

fenderwq

stefanno yeah it's pretty tough to make the colors of the video and pass-through feed match well. Especially at night.

I bought a 100w floodlight that makes the passthrough as good as it can get at any time but I doubt many are willing to do the same. Besides it will still need quite a bit of color correction then. Like what I do is up the overal warmness (night filter) and decrease the brightness on my quest then increase brightness and contrast of the video to make everything seem normal again and aligned, sometimes the only way to get close to the color is by using the color profiles too).

Not exactly plug and play to get the best experience yet color wise. But that is also a large part due to the passthrough quality of the quest at low light. Still DEO could probably improve this by making it easier to match those colors somehow. A simple thing would be to have persistent video settings for colors etc. But what would really be cool is to have something like an auto match function/ calibrate color. You can't access the feed of the passthrough as a dev in quest but you could probably overlay a color correcting filter/ multiplier on the background. Something like that.

Vrsumo2017

stefanno It might sound weird but i found some poorly lit videos to be more immersive in passthrough

Yup!

Bro what I do is lower the contrast and lower the brightness on pt videos, cuz in q3 in pt with my lamp on its not same level of brightness as it is in my room so lowering contrast and brightness works out good. What usually do is lower contrast all the way low or close to and bring brightness down to match up, just mess around it. I think it helps a lot 👍

damson

fenderwq With regards to the need to match and adjust the color of the passthrough camera feed to match the video after it became too lit 🙂 We will try to add more control directly from the app itself for you to adjust the passthrough camera's saturation, brightness, and contrast in the future update. I think this should give you better control over the end results that you are looking for.
This way you can alter both the video quality as well as the camera feed quality to find the best match.

parsec

doublevr As far as scenarios go it would be nice if it seemed more natural. From the viewer perspective, this person is in your space, maybe brainstorm reasons for them to be there. For instance, I don't have a stripper pole in my house and it can be a little immersion breaking to have one in the scene. Also, some older scenes they would be sitting on like a box or something and it just doesn't match any practical furniture set up I have in my house so there would just be like a floating girl giving a footjob or something. Practically motivated sets, positions and scenarios would go a long way.

I don't know if it's feasible for the male talent, but it would be nice to have a cumshot for each position in the scene or have scenes like VREdging with only one camera position.

vrpicasso

Positioning - gotta keep the stunt cock in the same place in the frame throughout the scene - mimicking the viewer's position. I heard reports that CVR has done this well.

Lighting - maybe use a larger light source? I don't know about the challenges you face in balancing aesthetics vs clean masking but right now all the vids use harsh lighting, not the typical large key light glamor effect. These pretty direct panels give a deer in the headlights / ring-light look which maybe you have to use but it's not super flattering or sexy.

harigeharry

The correct position of the male actor is of course extremely important, this is really number 1 reason why PT (AI) sometimes fails. If we need to play too much with the zoom function for example everything gets wrong.

Then oftentimes the AI seems to have difficulties with the space between body and arms, oftentimes it gets mistaken as a body part and that's distracting. And then the most difficult part of course is the hair, seems difficult to create an AI that really gets that right.

And of course, like said before, the male actor should sit still, not 'fuck back' with his hips

alkory

When it comes to cowgirl/reverse cowgirl I myself don't like the "sitting position" because I'm watching it laid down and it feels like the girl is going through my bed. I know there is still regular cowgirl too so I guess some people watch it from a chair too?
Anyway for regular cowgirl, please minimize the laid back position and have the girl sit on the guy and close to "my" face as much as possible. This is the hottest. I noticed a trend in the latest production where the girl was too far and not leaning forward. IMO your best PT scene is the Raven Lane scene, she was really hot/immersion was great in this!
Oh and also I liked you added anal with Alicia Williams, was great!

vrpicasso

alkory I think most people watch VR porn seated - certainly those using a Handy or similar. So sitting cowgirl / HJ / BJ are best for many. I think both seated and laying viewers should be catered for, personally.

obilisk2450

alkory
Completely agree with minimizing the laid back positions. This applies to both VR and AR. Usually, the closer the model is, the better.

parsec

vrpicasso I tend to move around to fit the scene if it has multiple camera set ups. It's why I like VREdging as I don't have to move around and break immersion to stay with the scene.

harigeharry

As also noted in the other topic, now that we can hide the male penis with AI, it's important to shoot with that in mind. The male actors should NEVER touch their own dicks. Also it's important to have the dick not moved at all. This will only result in a good experience if the dick remains steady in the same place.

petermc

These technical things may all seem obvious to some on paper. The problem is, real humans have to perform in these scenes. How much fun do you think it will be to perform in scenes with “no hands” and having to stay perfectly still with “no fucking back” just so it matches up with some guy laying on his bed at home? If I’m a porn performer, I’m staying the hell away from those cold technical scenes with no passion, fun or intimacy. It sounds like the complete opposite of what porn should be.

I understand the intention of passthrough and the appeal of it looking like the girl is in your room on top of your body. In practice though, it will never truly be able to mimick that unless you make it so rigid and inactive that it becomes totally boring to watch.

Wendigo

petermc How much fun do you think it will be to perform in scenes with “no hands” and having to stay perfectly still with “no fucking back” just so it matches up with some guy laying on his bed at home?

This is a ridiculous statement. The stunt cock is a paid participant with a job to do. If the job requires you to stay still and not use your hands, that's what you do. Just so it matches up with some guy laying in bed at home? THAT IS LITERALLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF PASSTHROUGH. "Some guy laying in bed at home" is the customer, without whom you would not get paid to get fucked by beautiful women. God, what an oppressive job!

Hang on: I'm going to tell my boss that I can't perform necessary condidtions of my job because I don't think they are fun. I'll report back from the unemployment line.

harigeharry

petermc LOL I think you don't have the right idea of what a porn actor actually is 🙂 He's getting paid, remember? He should do what he's getting paid for or find another job. Real life and stuff.

obilisk2450

petermc
If you were talking about regular VR, I'd agree with you. I would prefer if the male actor was a little handsy occasionally. No problems with "fuck backs" at all. But in AR, it completely ruins immersion.

I feel like this is the biggest roadblock for AI Passthrough vs Native Passthrough.
Traditional VR viewers prefer the natural handsy and fuck back movements. They don't want to give that up just to facilitate AI passthrough. AR viewers want the male models to stop doing all of that so the videos are more compatible with AI passthrough. The more compatible it is, the more immersive it is in AR.

petermc

Wendigo except they don’t have a boss, they can pick and choose what jobs they want to do or don’t want to do. So yes they can say “this isn’t fun, I’d rather not show up”.

You either have the choice of shooting some gonzo scene where you get to have wild sex and fuck the shit out of a top pornstar or you can shoot some bullshit scene with a lower tier star where you can’t touch the girl, have a huge camera rig in your face and you have to lay rigidly still without making a sound. Oh and you have to stay hard despite all the restrictions. Which scene do you choose?

Not just talking about the male performer either. It can’t be fun for the girl to have sex with some dead fish who doesn’t fuck back or even touch her. Plenty of girls already don’t shoot normal VR as it’s too technical and lacking in any intimacy.

It is a job but it’s a job where you have to portray something fun and sexy. That’s harder to do if it’s not remotely fun or sexy.

Kolaches

Can we get some taboo scenes in passthrough

parsec

doublevr Also to add to my previous comment and I don't know if I speak for anyone else, but I don't need the female talent to shove her creampied pussy into the camera just like I don't expect a woman to do that in real life sex.

With respect to shooting a cumshot per camera set up you could do like a facial in the first set up where you would want maximum volume, a cum in mouth in another where less volume would be acceptable and maybe fake a creampie and just imply that it happened through body language and some natural dialogue from the model that you might have in a real life scenario.

Naturalism is key here, I think too much fake 2D porno stuff is trying to transfer over, like showing a creampie in the camera or cheesy dialogue or scenarios. Really, the people directing should be thinking of actual hot real sex they've had and try and capture that. Simulate two people being really into it together.

tmynx

I think more up close tease sequences in the beginning of each scene would be nice. Really nice close up face shots with dirty talk, underboob view teases and standing facesitting are all awesome in VR already, but would be extra amazing in more passthrough scenes than what we have currently.

The sex can always come later but I feel like we need more teases like gonzo studios did in the 2010s where you really get a nice tour of a woman's body first and then they begin with foreplay. Studios like bangbros do this all the time.

petermc

obilisk2450 I don’t disagree with the immersion element, I totally get, from an AR perspective, why hands/movement is an issue, it’s not really about my preference. My point is that, if you make all these restrictions in order for AR to work properly, it will not be a good experience to perform in them and you may find lots of performers won’t want to be involved in those scenes. Like I said, some girls already refuse VR as they find it too cold and lacking in intimacy. We’re now talking about going to even further extremes where the guy can’t even move or touch so it’s even less interactive or intimate. You might as well just have a girl bouncing on a dildo at that point.

Wendigo

obilisk2450 Traditional VR viewers prefer the natural handsy and fuck back movements.

No, they dont. I want to handcuff their hands behind their damn back.

MickyCheese

Suggested Improvements:

Avoid male hands obstructing the model's body
Need closeup missionary shots where the model is lying on the bed and the camera is close to her face. Seated missionary is not the same.
Camera needs to be closer to the model's face most of the time, in most positions.
Lighting and color correction needs to be closer to home environments (try mixing studio and warm lights, use less direct lighting)
Avoid furniture props, like stripper poles, because most people don't have one at home.
Get rid of leaning back shots, where the model is leaning away from the camera. Instead have the model lean forwards, her face should be close to the viewer's face.
Avoid side to side motion this makes it difficult to align with the stunt cock.
Move the subject further away from walls this will prevent green color spill on to the skin (currently, there is still a little color spill).
"simulated 6DOF" needs better tracking (it shifts too much, i.e. the girl is not pinned to one location in 3d space. Moving closer or further is not accurately displayed).
More intimate scenarios, most people are viewing at home so the scenario should match that environment (e.g. GFE, cheating, taboo, hot date, escorts, 4th wall break directly talking to the viewer, etc.)

Takeway: Shooting AR correctly is more challenging than VR, because the environment changes from viewer to viewer. Most people are viewing at home so the production needs to be more intimate and match home environments (e.g. lighting and scenarios).

fenderwq

MickyCheese good points. I wonder though if it might not be better to color correct the passthrough feed instead though as good lighting is very important for video quality.

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