So one of the things I’d hoped for will never happen….
Okay folks, this is serious - No Alcohol, No drugs, No Nonconsensual
doublevr What do you mean by 'stop words'? I am asking because there is a definition of this term which in my view does not make sense in this context. Hope this does not mean we will have to watch conversations between consenting adults like 'I want you to beep my pretty little beephole, beepdaddy'
Stopwords are words which we have been told are unacceptable to have on the site by one or more payment processors.
SchnuppiLilac like some really bad ass stuff you don't want to use in your daily language
Does this mean you’re going back and re-editing some scenes to make them compliant?
bacula8630 we will collaborate with creators on that
Thanks for the reply.
Might have to go back and download some of my favorites. Just in case the original version goes away.
I'd applied to do some scriptwriting work for another site a while back and the list of restrictions lined up almost exactly with this - no drugs or alcohol, no violence, you can't even have weapons visible or as part of a costume, no matter what scenario you come up with, the eventual sex must be consensual.
We've known for a while that payment processors basically run the porn industry but I'm still not entirely sure what they're so afraid of. Triple penetration is okay but a shot glass sitting on a far away table isn't. Is there a high number of very specific people complaining that the porn they watch isn't moral enough?
petergriff in current economy everyone is afraid of banks. Basically these are run now by huge investment funds and those are really conservative fucks. If banks want their money they have to be compliant with all the stupid things they want
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doublevr run now by huge investment funds and those are really conservative fucks.
Those hypocrites are usually some of the the kinkiest bastards around.
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I don't why you said that JAV is in trouble. In fact, it seems like you guys are becoming more JAVy.
However, I have one request. It would be great if you could give us a heads up 2 or 3 days before any scenes are removed for re-editing. Maybe you could create a temporary niche or a countdown on the site for scenes that are about to be removed. I don't think this goes against the policies of the banks you're working with, and it would really help us keep track of our favorite scenes.
[deleted] I don't why you said that JAV is in trouble. In fact, it seems like you guys are becoming more JAVy.
JAV scenes tend to use a lot of taboo themes. Which might not go over well with the banks. That being said, maybe the JAV industry has a slightly different relationship with banks. Because I don’t see much in the way of change on their part.
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petergriff but I'm still not entirely sure what they're so afraid of.
Political pressure. The government regulates banks.
A faction on the left believes that ALL porn is exploitive and non-consensual and contributes to sex trafficking; also, even when it's not, it is a slippery slope that leads to exploitation and other evils.
A faction on the right, mostly religious zealots, largely agree with those on the left PLUS believe that porn is a sin the same way that sex outside of marriage is a sin.
These groups can put enough pressure on elected officials to get the elected officials to pressure the regulators to pressure the banks to stop doing business with sex-related businesses.
It wouldn't be hard to track money from truly illegal sex work to a porn website to a bank. And with many laws, the standard to create a conspiracy is "knew or should have known."
And when making decisions about enforcing regulations, government regulators are usually subject to a "substantial evidence" standard, essentially meaning that if there is any evidence to support their decision, a court will uphold it.
So, if a website has content on it that appears to be illegal or might be illegal, it might not be too hard to convince banking regulators that a bank "should have known" they were taking money from illegal activities--and the regulators could potentially fine the bank big time.
If the bank attempts to overturn that in court, the regulators can point to the videos as substantial evidence. The only way a bank MIGHT overcome that would be to get all the actors in the videos in question to testify that everything was 100% consensual, that the drugs were fake, etc. etc.
And what do you think the odds would be of a bank being able to get all the actors in dozens of videos from around the world to come to the USA and testify? Even if they could, would they want to go through all that trouble?
It's much easier to put in strict prohibitions on the type of content that a website can show.
As much as I'm against this type of censorship, I would do the exact same thing if I were SLR. Any other choice would eventually lead to the demise of this great website. Or a vast reduction in the profitability, which would lead to people losing their jobs, and eventually result in less and lower quality content.
doublevr stop words have to stay completely out of the site.
By this I assume you mean in the forum and in user comments to videos as well, yes?
So, we couldn't post a comment to a video that says, "I like this, but next time the actors should drink *** while holding a **** to the girl's *** and ***ing her ****, right?
I guess this is the reason why the scene description for Wed's Raw Taboo scene is quite different to what the actual scene contained? If so, weird that the description for Molly Little's scene today is quite "risky"...
bacula8630 This is most likely due to JCB having laxer policies. JCB is probably the operator of Japan's entire card processing network that Visa/MC piggyback off of. See what happened in Russia with Mir after the events from last year began.
[deleted] While I don't have access to SLR user data, back when R18 was still online, someone from my team did monthly reports on their sales and the top-sellers were very vanilla movies. This extended to VR as well. Thus, even if--and only if as this is conjectural--a sizeable percentage of JAV was removed from SLR, it would probably consist of movies that were not even popular to begin with.
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doublevr what do you mean by ‘stop words’? Do you mean words that refer to non-consensual sex? A word that rhymes with gape for example?
You say no pee drinking but does that mean no pee in the mouth at all or is it ok if she spits it out?
It’s getting more and more like Onlyfans on here though. It’s a shame how these fucked up right wing zealots running America ruin everyone’s fun in the rest of the World.
The no alcohol thing is just crazy. Every tv show in the world features couples meeting in a bar and going home to have sex, it’s real life. I get that you can’t actually have real alcohol on set and can’t show someone pretending to be drunk but having a prop of something which looks like alcohol which someone takes a sip of shouldn’t be banned by these people surely.
The no guns thing as well. I get why people may be uncomfortable showing someone having sex at gun point but does that mean you can’t do a James Bond parody for example where Bond is captured by a female villain with a gun and the scene eventually progresses into consensual sex?
@doublevr this brings up a few interesting questions. If the data is segregated to regionally appropriate areas (i.e. JAV content with JAV appropriate scenes being hosted in Japan where these genres considered taboo elsewhere are culturally appropriate) would that be sufficient for payment processors that primarily operate in that region? Or because SLR is a global brand it needs to be a superset of all the most stringent rules globally?
Where there is ambiguity there is opportunity. SLR likes to solve problems and push the tech forward (I see it more as a tech company producing content rather than a content company producing tech). Why not create a division to work with all the ISPs and payment processors to agree on a very detailed list of what exactly is and isn’t allowed to standardize for the porn industry, reduce ambiguity, and promote compliance. Be the ISO for porn. Consulting payments and renewals for compliance on every other porn producer to standardize i’d imagine could be highly lucrative. Just a thought.