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bacula8630

noticed you often use seated cowgirl. Personally, I don’t feel this a great position for VR. The girl’s torso usually ends up being very close. In real life, this is not a huge concern, because your vertical FOV is close to 180 degrees. And you can take in her whole body. But with a VR headset, vertical FOV usually hovers around 90 degrees. Depending on the headset. So you constantly need to move your head up and down to see her face, the penetration, her tits.

Speaking of tits, if the girl starts to bounce up and down too much. Her torso becomes a big blur. And you can’t really take in her beauty. Which is another reason I don’t really like seated cowgirl. Lying cowgirl is much more preferable.

Now this is the same regardless of who shoots this position. But your seated cowgirl, along with this particular male performer, the camera seems a little too close. Most directors make the male move his hips forward towards the edge of the cushion so the guy can lean back as far as possible. Which you appear to be doing. But it still feels closer than other studio’s seated cowgirl.

I love seated cowgirl, but they could learn something from LethalHardcoreVR, who IMO shot it best.

bacula8630
You look at these screens and you immediately notice that they are still too dark. All Nash scenes lately are too dark.

You just need more light for proper VR porn, it's that simple. People want to actually see these beautiful girls.

rerun119
Bright daylight in Tru Kait's scene...

Lighting is just so important in VR. Most people don't realize how much of an impact the lighting has in VR porn...

If you use bad lighting for your scenes you're doomed from the beginning and no post-production can save the product.

g2kbuffetboy ive got no issues with girls lifting their arms above their head when laying in missionary like in that screenshot. its the shots where the girls shove their armpits in front of the camera that need to go.

rerun119 I will just copy my post from other thread because i am lazy to type another.

I recently rewatched Gianna Dior "Charm & Glam" (43GB version) which is 3 years old, and i was surprised how much better it looks than new ones. Then i rewatched some other ones, and almost all of them look better than recent ones.

I don't know what changed, but scenes before changing to Canon (and back to K2Pro again) looked much better.

Seated cowgirl can be amazing but it's hard to shoot. 3 big mistakes that are made:

1. camera too close to tits (this is SO COMMON with SLRO), so we can't see much of the face and we're looking up the model's nostrils and penetration is also obscured. Typically, SLRO gets cam-cock distance correct so the answer is not to just move the cam further from penetration but to change the angles, so instead of hovering the cam above the guy's cock he leans back and we get a better view of the whole girl.

2. Lighting - I like to see details in penetration and this may need a small LED just for that purpose. And when it comes to lighting obviously maintain the same exposure whether girl is near or far, which means not having the key too close.

3. Open up - seated cowgirl where the girl just grinds without opening up and showing us penetration sucks. The absolute hottest scenario is when the model really focuses on showing us the action. Here's the key - PUSSY FORWARD, PELVIS BACK.

Examples:
BAD - TOO NEAR TITS, looking up nostrils, head too near top of frame, pelvis forward - pussy back, can't see penetration and there's a skirt in the way for an extra barrier. This is typical for SLRO.

GOOD - We have good visibility of face, tits and penetration, and ample light everywhere. Pelvis back, pussy forward - this should be your mantra. This scene had some overexposure on the chest and face but not bad enough to spoil it.

GOOD - For more intimacy, the model can move her head closer, so long as penetration is still clear (tricky to achieve!). I imagine this position might suit experienced models like Pristine, who can get that pussy/pelvis position and still perform naturally. I like this position as it's extremely intense, but only as a transition as the viewer has to move their head up and down a fair distance to see face and pussy. The head is still not too near the top of the frame and we're not looking up nostrils, the head is not distorted like in the top example.

GOOD - I really like this position as we see everything without even moving our head. It's not as intimate as the previous shot but it's more comfortable to view. Penetration visibility is excellent. Requires more strength in the model though, and something for the model to lean back onto. One negative is the face may get slightly soft at this distance due to optimum focal distance of the rig, especially with taller models.

So basically, we need to see everything, with good light, without distortion and without breaking our necks.

Thanks you for attending my seated cowgirl Ted talk.

I was just taking a look at the latest SLR Original, “Surprising My Boyfriend with a Threesome”, starring Octavia Red and Penelope Kay.

I noticed it’s filmed in the same room and produced by the same guy that did RealJamVR’s scene, “Spying on Stepdaughter” starring Kiara Cole.

He has also shot numerous POVR scenes in the same room. The latest being “A Stepbrother’s Guide to the Sleepover” starring Maria Kazi.

Even though these scenes were shot by the same director using the same rig. The image quality is not equal. The SLRO has noticeably worse image quality. Yes, the RJVR and POVRO are both offered at 7K resolution. While the SLRO is 6K. But I don’t think that is enough to explain the difference I’m seeing.

First off, the SLRO is zoomed out slightly making scale smaller than normal. This also introduces barrel distortion. Which you can see in the closet doors to the left. The lines are not straight. I need to zoom into 1.10x to straighten out the geometry. Which also brings the scale equal to the POVR and RJVR scenes.

I also see noticeable ringing on edges. It looks like additional sharpening is being applied to the SLRO scene. Not sure if it is though. The SLRO picture also lacks fine detail in things like pores in the skin, textures in fabric, etc.

The POVRO uses a bitrate around 45mb/s. The SLRO around 30mb/s. Not sure about the RJVR. I have the “Original” version downloaded. Which has a bitrate of 125mb/s. Not sure what it is on the standard 7K file.

Are these discrepancies in bit rate enough to explain the image quality differences? I don’t know. I don’t know enough about SLR’s post production workflow to say either way.

All I know is that the SLRO image quality is worse. Assuming the director is using the same settings and filming techniques, I would take a hard look at the post production workflow. I don’t know enough about the SLR workflow or enough about post production in general to offer any solution. I’m just reporting what I’m seeing.

Thank you for reading.

vrpicasso I was with you until that last "good" picture. Lean-back cowgirl should be banned for all time.

Hunky-Dory

Thanks for the reply.

Maybe it’s just an SLR thing. But most studios correct the field geometry so lines are straight throughout the image. Even at the peripheries.

I do remember people complaining that unless you watched on DeoVR/SLR app, SLR fisheye scenes didn’t play properly on other players. And had significant distortion. But I’m watching an SLR scene on SLR’s official app. I would think that the field geometry would be corrected properly.

Maybe it’s always been like that and I’ve never noticed? I have to head out to work soon but maybe I’ll dust off my Quest 2 tonight and see if it’s a Quest Pro thing.

Appreciate the info.