spacepirate me too lol
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What happened with Raw Taboo: Mean Sis, i don't see scene anywhere on site, did you also remove it to comply with new rules, or some other reason?
mirdumar What happened with Raw Taboo: Mean Sis, i don't see scene anywhere on site, did you also remove it to comply with new rules, or some other reason?
I believe it's currently being re-rendered, but I don't have an ETA. Hopefully back up soon.
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justsomedude101 Thanks for answering.
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Hi guys,
I wasn’t sure where to post this. I have some feedback on a few of @alexnash’s recent scenes. I thought about leaving them in the comment section of the individual scenes, but I wasn’t sure he read them. So I decided to post this here. If this is incorrect, I’m happy to post feedback in the appropriate place in the future.
Anyways, Alex. This is mostly pertains to the scenes “Classical Trio”, “Raw Taboo: Pussy Play”, and “Her Innocent Intern”.
I noticed you often use seated cowgirl. Personally, I don’t feel this a great position for VR. The girl’s torso usually ends up being very close. In real life, this is not a huge concern, because your vertical FOV is close to 180 degrees. And you can take in her whole body. But with a VR headset, vertical FOV usually hovers around 90 degrees. Depending on the headset. So you constantly need to move your head up and down to see her face, the penetration, her tits.
Speaking of tits, if the girl starts to bounce up and down too much. Her torso becomes a big blur. And you can’t really take in her beauty. Which is another reason I don’t really like seated cowgirl. Lying cowgirl is much more preferable.
Now this is the same regardless of who shoots this position. But your seated cowgirl, along with this particular male performer, the camera seems a little too close. Most directors make the male move his hips forward towards the edge of the cushion so the guy can lean back as far as possible. Which you appear to be doing. But it still feels closer than other studio’s seated cowgirl.
Is it possible to move the camera module closer to the guy’s face? Perhaps a little higher too. And maybe slightly tilt the camera module back? Maybe 10-15 degrees. I think that would help.
I noticed the same thing with the laying cowgirl with this particular male performer as well. IDK if he has a shorter torso. But camera feels a hair too close and low. Like my chin is pressed against my sternum. I think raising the camera module even an inch would be better. I also notice some of the laying cowgirl had the camera module level with the horizon. With absolutely no tilt backwards. This leaves absolutely no room for the actress to lean in while riding you before the top of her hair gets cut off. I would really like to see the camera tilted back about 15 degrees.
All minor tweaks. But I think they would improve the viewing experience.
Now, for the topic I’m kinda hesitant to bring up. The armpit thing. I know some of the guys really like it. A couple of them I’ve known for years in this, and other forums. I consider them to be forum friends. And I certainly don’t want to rain on their parade. But they’re just too much of it for my tastes. But not just that. But the seemingly random nature of it.
If the armpit licking occurs naturally. Say one of girls is riding cowgirl. Another girl starts kissing and sucking her tits. And she moves up towards the armpit and starts licking it. That’s fine. I can work with that. It makes sense. But in “Classical Trio”. All three women are standing in front of you. They all stare right at the camera. Lift their arm up and start licking their own armpit.
That’s bordering on comical to me. If I saw that in real life, I would think these women are aliens, and they’re about to suck out my soul or something!
I’m Ok with the occasional armpit action. As long as it happens organically. And not just some random event that comes out of nowhere. But I feel like you’re treating it like any other staple sex position. Like BJ, cowgirl, doggie, missionary, etc…I think this kink is pretty niche. And I don’t feel it needs to be in every scene. Sorry armpit guys.
Anyways, I apologize for the super long post Alex. And I hope you take this feedback in the spirit it is given. As constructive criticism. Not some mean spirited rant. From what I can see, you are very open to feedback. And you’re always trying to improve. Which is a great attitude to have. Not just in your job, but your entire life.
So if you made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read this. Have a pleasant evening.
bacula8630 spot on
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bacula8630 The armpit thing.
just too much of it for my tastes.
seemingly random nature of it.
Yes, I fully agree. I’ve also brought this up. It has become a mechanical part of the checklist now and just seems like it’s getting called out as direction — it’s pretty easy to spot when it happens too. It doesn’t feel natural and it just pulls me straight out of the scene.
Now imagine in the throes of sex a girl puts her arms up in ecstasy, pheromones are pumping, her face is wild with lust and another girl goes from sucking on her nipple to burying her nose into it naturally and moaning satisfaction about how sexy she smells right now. Now that would feel real. That would quite likely take me over the edge, like seeing a soaking wet pussy does. But this regular forced “smell and lick my pits thing” that is happening out of the blue in every scene just turns me off. I stop watching every time because I’m worried another round of it is coming again shortly. Ugh.
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noticed you often use seated cowgirl. Personally, I don’t feel this a great position for VR. The girl’s torso usually ends up being very close. In real life, this is not a huge concern, because your vertical FOV is close to 180 degrees. And you can take in her whole body. But with a VR headset, vertical FOV usually hovers around 90 degrees. Depending on the headset. So you constantly need to move your head up and down to see her face, the penetration, her tits.
Speaking of tits, if the girl starts to bounce up and down too much. Her torso becomes a big blur. And you can’t really take in her beauty. Which is another reason I don’t really like seated cowgirl. Lying cowgirl is much more preferable.
Now this is the same regardless of who shoots this position. But your seated cowgirl, along with this particular male performer, the camera seems a little too close. Most directors make the male move his hips forward towards the edge of the cushion so the guy can lean back as far as possible. Which you appear to be doing. But it still feels closer than other studio’s seated cowgirl.
I love seated cowgirl, but they could learn something from LethalHardcoreVR, who IMO shot it best.
bacula8630 I noticed you often use seated cowgirl. Personally, I don’t feel this a great position for VR.
Wow! This post expresses my exact thoughts. I find the 'seated cowgirl' so uncomfortable to watch, and I always skip it unfortunately. Meanwhile, my preferred position is the 'laying cowgirl' alongside the 'closeup missionary' which I think it is a must in every scene.
Rustam1990 The latest Raw Taboo: Mean Sis was an almost-nashterpiece
Rustam1990 the reason why this isn't a Nashterpiece for me is that the lighting was unfortuately quite poor, especially the ending CG portion.
@alexnash @Mutiny
I agree that the once the girls moved to the bedroom the shadows were interfering with the viewing enjoyment of the show. Had to skip forward to some of the closer shots in order to feel immersed again. I subbed to Darkroom VR a few months ago and after a few trial runs watching their vids, I immediately deleted all their content from my HD due to this type of lighting issue, (Also the content was a bit too rough around the edges for my taste.) .... To be clear though, I do think dramatic lighting if done with real precision and artistic intent can absolutely elevate a shoot. But it needs to be well thought out and carefully produced to highlight and spotlight the sexy parts etc....
This is a bit of tangent,... but for instance watch the first five minutes of Wankz: The Wanking Dead: Return of the Slayer
https://www.wankzvr.com/wankzvr/the-wanking-dead-return-of-the-slayer-5151035
(Not available on SLR yet apparently)
Some of the best use of lighting to create a mood that I have seen in VR to date. I hope we can see more of this type of stuff in future VR productions.
Pit fans around the world right now
No, for real though. I love (like, seriously, LOVE) the armpit stuff that Nash has been doing. It's been around in his scenes for over 2 years now (there was armpit licking since Blake and Laney, if not even before that)
It became a staple and generally speaking always highly commented and complimented on in the comments of the scenes. And not even by me, but by other fellow pit fans. I, myself, was actually surprised at the armpit renaissance we were having. Didn't know there were so many people like me out there =)
But yeah, in recent scenes, it's been dialed up more. For the record, I adore it, and bless Nash for catering to people's fetishes and kinks. He's one of the few VR creators who's doing armpit stuff. I see some armpit-centric action on SinsVR, SexBabesVR, NA, and CzechVR sometimes, but not to the level that Nash is doing.
But too much of one thing always has its price. Naturally, of course I'm disappointed to see so much negative dialogue about it lately. And it's hard to speak up about it because I don't want to get kink-shamed. Which of course, that is not at all what bacula8630 or @argyle43 are doing. Y'all are being very respectful, so no ill-feelings whatsoever.
I just hope that the armpit stuff doesn't go away, and there can be a nice middle-ground. I actually don't really care for armpit dirty talk in the scenes. I don't care for "narration" dirty talk in general. I much prefer it to just happen, instead of the women describing every action. Perhaps that will help and make things more subtle when they flash their pits to the camera and so forth. For me, the idea of armpits is an intimacy and pheromone thing. It's something that I associate sensuality and closeness with. I love seeing them up close, with their breasts hanging just below, and their eyes staring back at me just above. I know it's a little "different" but I guess that's just me
Anyways, I think that's all I'll say about the matter. Just felt like speaking up for my fellow armpit brethren
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bacula8630
You look at these screens and you immediately notice that they are still too dark. All Nash scenes lately are too dark.
You just need more light for proper VR porn, it's that simple. People want to actually see these beautiful girls.
This is a question for the SLR teams or everybody on here.
I watched https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/gfe-true-love-22291 last night again. I was blown away by how great it looked. The picture and scaling was prefect in every way. Other videos from SLR from this time also look great. SLR is supposed to be using the same camera now as they did back then.
Do the videos now not look as good as they did back then to other people too? To me the older ones looked like 'WOW'. Now they look 'OK'.
It sounds like the people that are shooting the scenes are doing the same things as before, so is this all the post production teams not producing as good as they could? I know nothing about video producing but I do know what looks good and great to my eyes.
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rerun119
Bright daylight in Tru Kait's scene...
Lighting is just so important in VR. Most people don't realize how much of an impact the lighting has in VR porn...
If you use bad lighting for your scenes you're doomed from the beginning and no post-production can save the product.
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g2kbuffetboy ive got no issues with girls lifting their arms above their head when laying in missionary like in that screenshot. its the shots where the girls shove their armpits in front of the camera that need to go.
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rerun119 I will just copy my post from other thread because i am lazy to type another.
I recently rewatched Gianna Dior "Charm & Glam" (43GB version) which is 3 years old, and i was surprised how much better it looks than new ones. Then i rewatched some other ones, and almost all of them look better than recent ones.
I don't know what changed, but scenes before changing to Canon (and back to K2Pro again) looked much better.
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Seated cowgirl can be amazing but it's hard to shoot. 3 big mistakes that are made:
camera too close to tits (this is SO COMMON with SLRO), so we can't see much of the face and we're looking up the model's nostrils and penetration is also obscured. Typically, SLRO gets cam-cock distance correct so the answer is not to just move the cam further from penetration but to change the angles, so instead of hovering the cam above the guy's cock he leans back and we get a better view of the whole girl.
Lighting - I like to see details in penetration and this may need a small LED just for that purpose. And when it comes to lighting obviously maintain the same exposure whether girl is near or far, which means not having the key too close.
Open up - seated cowgirl where the girl just grinds without opening up and showing us penetration sucks. The absolute hottest scenario is when the model really focuses on showing us the action. Here's the key - PUSSY FORWARD, PELVIS BACK.
Examples:
BAD - TOO NEAR TITS, looking up nostrils, head too near top of frame, pelvis forward - pussy back, can't see penetration and there's a skirt in the way for an extra barrier. This is typical for SLRO.
GOOD - We have good visibility of face, tits and penetration, and ample light everywhere. Pelvis back, pussy forward - this should be your mantra. This scene had some overexposure on the chest and face but not bad enough to spoil it.
GOOD - For more intimacy, the model can move her head closer, so long as penetration is still clear (tricky to achieve!). I imagine this position might suit experienced models like Pristine, who can get that pussy/pelvis position and still perform naturally. I like this position as it's extremely intense, but only as a transition as the viewer has to move their head up and down a fair distance to see face and pussy. The head is still not too near the top of the frame and we're not looking up nostrils, the head is not distorted like in the top example.
GOOD - I really like this position as we see everything without even moving our head. It's not as intimate as the previous shot but it's more comfortable to view. Penetration visibility is excellent. Requires more strength in the model though, and something for the model to lean back onto. One negative is the face may get slightly soft at this distance due to optimum focal distance of the rig, especially with taller models.
So basically, we need to see everything, with good light, without distortion and without breaking our necks.
Thanks you for attending my seated cowgirl Ted talk.
g2kbuffetboy I also love armpits but I gotta agree that for me personally the appeal is more visual and the dirty talk isn't that interesting
I find it really erotic when it's during missionary and the implication is that the girls are so worked up that they start to lick each other's armpits. The visual of the arms raised also emphasizes the size of the girl's torso, which looks really great imo