Hey guys, I’ve had an annual membership to SLR for a couple years now. But I haven’t spend that much time on this forum during that time. But I’ve been hanging out here more often the last week or so, and I must say I am very impressed with the interaction from the staff and all the producers. It really makes me feel you guys are open to all the customer feedback. And you guys are always trying to improve and push the envelope of what’s possible in VR porn.

And in that spirit, I do have an idea for a scene I’ve had for a while. I’ve actually posted it on another forum a while ago. But nothing ever came of it. But seeing how receptive the staff and producers are to customer input here, I figure I’ll post it here.

My idea is loosely inspired by a classic VR scene starring Elsa Jean. Where she plays identical twins. But in that scene, you only see one sister on screen at any one time. My idea is to have an actress play twins but be on screen at the same time using the time honored filming technique of Split screen. Like Lindsay Lohan in the Parent Trap for example.

The scene would open in a voyeur shot in one of the sister’s bedroom. The room would have a bathroom door on the left or right wall. And a door to the hallway on the opposite wall. Using split screen, both sisters would be on screen at the same time. They would be facing each other talking.

The “Good” twin would be texting with someone. Looking really happy and excited. The “Bad”(slutty) sister asks her what she’s so happy about. Good sister says she met a guy and she’s going out on a date. And he’s on his way to pick her up. Bad sister is intrigued.

Bad sister: “Is he cute?”
Good Sister: “Oh no. I’ve seen that look before. Promise me you won’t seduce him. You’ve slept with every boyfriend I’ve ever had”
Bad Sister: “I’m doing you a favor. I’m watching out for you. You deserve better than a guy that will sleep with his girlfriend’s sister”
Good Sister: “You’re so full of shit!”

Just then, she gets a text saying the guy has arrived at her house and is downstairs. Good sister says “Shit! He’s early! I’m not even cute yet!” She runs to the bathroom to jump into the shower. Bad sister says “don’t worry. I’ll keep him company while you get ready” Good sister pops her head back in, ‘Promise me you won’t seduce him” Bad sister agrees.

Cut to POV shot at the front door. Bad sister answers. Says “Wow! You are cute!” She says Good sister is not quite ready yet. Invites you in. Next shot is you on the couch. Sister starts to seduce you. You resist at first, but eventually give in. She starts giving you a BJ when you hear Good sister’s voice off camera saying she almost ready. She’ll be down in a minute. Bad sister say’s “take your time!”. You guys have sex until you cum in her mouth. Just as Good sister yells from off camera “You promised! How could you!” And bad sister looks up and says “I’m sorry” with a mouth full of cum. The end.

Now the first question is, Is split screen possible in VR. It’s relatively straightforward in 2D. But does the fact that it’s VR do something wonky. I think you’d need to do some testing to make sure it works before the day of the shoot.

Second question. Who to get to act in the scene. My first pick would be Melody Marks. I know @alexnash just shot a scene with her. But aside from being drop dead gorgeous and a wonderful performer, I think she would actually be excited to try something new and push the envelope. I have no doubt you’ll book her again in the future. So maybe you could use this idea then.

Either way, the shoot will probably require a longer shoot than normal. You need the actress to shoot both sister roles for the intro. Also record voice over for the off camera dialogue. The actress will need to have a great attitude, willing to work hard. And have an appreciation for the art of filmmaking and be stoked about doing something different.

Now I don’t know the performers personalities on set. Who would be good for such a part. But from I’ve seen and heard about Melody, she sounds like she would be a good candidate. But I’m open to other performers.

Anyways, If you’ve read up to this point, Thank you. I apologize for the extremely long post. But I also think the staff and producers here would appreciate the chance to do something different and new.

Thank you for reading

    bacula8630 This is actually something I've been thinking a lot about. It's tricky to pull it off and, like you say, would require testing and a lot of planning...but it's totally doable.

    I ask for your patience, but...challenge accepted!

        Mutiny bacula8630 i swear ive seen somewhere a VR scene where someone plays together with themselves in VR. Found it , it’s a Jav scene from SOD that has Eimi Fukada . here is the link https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/eimi-fukada-standoffish-eime-and-doting-eimie-come-at-you-from-both-sides-19112

        Great idea 🙂 im actually curious as to what special effects/ techniques can be used to pull things like this off 😎

              Bucket619 Thanks for the reference! I hadn't seen that one.

              There are a few ways to tackle it, from precise control of framing/blocking (so the performer doesn't cross over where her double will be) then using a simple matte to combine the two takes, all the way to using greenscreen/difference mattes/other keying tools to layer them. But it's not just about separating them in the frame, you also have to consider depth. If you use a mask to key out one and place them over the other, the effect will break your brain if they're located in the same slice of depth from the lens, or if the one keyed behind the other is actually closer to the lens. Your eyes and your brain will disagree on what's happening and it's deeply unpleasant.

              It's a lot to control for, but the challenge sounds like a blast.

              Also, check out from around 3:00-3:30 here (and some transitions/effects later in the edit): https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/the-future-is-beautiful-a-vr-pmv-29044

              I played with the idea of layering/double exposures in this project, but it was achieved with simple blending modes because I wanted to lean into the hologram effect of seeing through the performers.

                  Mutiny This is actually something I've been thinking a lot about. It's tricky to pull it off and, like you say, would require testing and a lot of planning...but it's totally doable.

                  I ask for your patience, but...challenge accepted!

                  Nice! If you could pull it off, I think it would be really cool!

                  Mutiny There are a few ways to tackle it, from precise control of framing/blocking (so the performer doesn't cross over where her double will be) then using a simple matte to combine the two takes, all the way to using greenscreen/difference mattes/other keying tools to layer them. But it's not just about separating them in the frame, you also have to consider depth. If you use a mask to key out one and place them over the other, the effect will break your brain if they're located in the same slice of depth from the lens, or if the one keyed behind the other is actually closer to the lens. Your eyes and your brain will disagree on what's happening and it's deeply unpleasant.

                  This was my question as well. How does depth affect the split screen? Does the line where the two individual takes join act differently when depth is involved? Will it have a weird effect on the brain?

                  It will be interesting to see what tests reveal.

                  Bucket619 i swear ive seen somewhere a VR scene where someone plays together with themselves in VR. Found it , it’s a Jav scene from SOD that has Eimi Fukada . here is the link https://www.sexlikereal.com/scenes/eimi-fukada-standoffish-eime-and-doting-eimie-come-at-you-from-both-sides-19112

                  I had forgot. But now that you mention it, I do remember someone else mentioning that particular scene to me. Thanks for the link. I’ll definitely take a look.

                          bacula8630 yea i haven’t watched this one but i remember it. i think i didnt watch it only because it didnt have a script. ill get on later to view the trailer and see what it looks like 🤔 let me know your experience with it as well so i can compare or know what to expect haha

                            Sandi_SLR

                            I’m afraid your technical knowledge exceeds my own.

                            I know what rotoscoping is. It’s an animation technique used in video by animating frame by frame. Like the famous A-ha video, “Take on Me”.

                            I’m not exactly sure how it applies here though. I’m curious to learn though.

                                bacula8630 We also use this word for a technique to cut a person out of an image so its a separate layer, then you can composite that person over another.

                                Try searching for "rotoscoping mask"

                                    bacula8630 Yep! Rotoscoping historically implies doing it by hand (the process of painting out the background manually) but it can refer to the act of cutting out elements in general. Depending on the footage and the tools available there are many different ways to achieve it, like chroma key (greenscreen/bluescreen), depth matte (an algorithm looks at the focus/sharpness to determine an element's distance from the lens...not perfect, but amazing advancement in the last couple years), difference matte (the program compares a "clean plate" — the shot with the background only — to the same shot with the performer in frame and cuts out any pixels that are identical, so only the performer remains...often has issues because of camera sensor noise, background elements moving a little, that kind of thing). There are even tools now like Magic Mask in Davinci Resolve that use machine learning to recognize a body, or even a body part like selecting a face, or hair, or clothes. It's all pretty incredible.

                                    Usually an effective matte requires some combination of tools to get the right polish. You also have to consider things like matching light direction and color temperature.

                                    Then, a final color grade and application of film grain/digital noise can help tie it all together and hide the seams.

                                        Sandi_SLR We also use this word for a technique to cut a person out of an image so its a separate layer, then you can composite that person over another.

                                        Try searching for "rotoscoping mask"

                                        Mutiny Yep! Rotoscoping historically implies doing it by hand (the process of painting out the background manually) but it can refer to the act of cutting out elements in general. Depending on the footage and the tools available there are many different ways to achieve it, like chroma key (greenscreen/bluescreen), depth matte (an algorithm looks at the focus/sharpness to determine an element's distance from the lens...not perfect, but amazing advancement in the last couple years), difference matte (the program compares a "clean plate" — the shot with the background only — to the same shot with the performer in frame and cuts out any pixels that are identical, so only the performer remains...often has issues because of camera sensor noise, background elements moving a little, that kind of thing). There are even tools now like Magic Mask in Davinci Resolve that use machine learning to recognize a body, or even a body part like selecting a face, or hair, or clothes. It's all pretty incredible.

                                        Usually an effective matte requires some combination of tools to get the right polish. You also have to consider things like matching light direction and color temperature.

                                        Then, a final color grade and application of film grain/digital noise can help tie it all together and hide the seams.

                                        Thanks for the info guys!

                                        I was familiar with a lot of the masking techniques you guys mentioned. But I never knew the names for them. But I’m always open to learning new things. So I appreciate you guys taking the time to reply.

                                        Also, sounds like editing software has come a long way in recent years. Many complex masks needed to be hand drawn before. But it sounds like the software takes a lot of the tedium out of those processes. With maybe a little fine tuning here and there.

                                        All very cool stuff! Learn something new everyday!

                                              Mutiny There was a whole episode of THE ORVILLE about this!

                                              Man, if I had a holodeck, my family and friends would probably never see me again! 😂

                                              Mutiny I'm so torn between getting a Quest Pro now vs waiting for the 3 to come out.

                                              I just bought a Quest Pro a couple months ago. The resolution is the same as the Quest 2. But the optics on the Pro are super impressive! The clarity is probably the best available at the moment.

                                              But since the Quest 3 is pretty close to release. I’d probably wait and see what that’s like before making any final decision.