Scripts removed, why?

mebejoe

doublevr ame as Youtube.

I don't know what that means. Is that a "yes" or "no" to these two questions:

If a scripter leaves SLR, the scripts get removed? Does that apply to all the scripts or was this unique? If @RealcumberScripts leaves, will the dozens (hundreds?) of scripts he's created be removed?<<<

justsomedude101

mebejoe Yes - the scripters own their scripts, so if they were to leave we would not be able to carry their scripts (without their approval/etc.).

LordCrash

justsomedude101
Why don't you hire your own staff for scripts?

Seriously, honest question.

This whole issue makes no sense to me.

It's like shooting a porn scene with all the industry pros and then ask the community for editing...because WHY?

Makes ZERO sense, sorry.

Just hire someone who makes the scripts for SLRO scenes. Then SLR owns the scripts and they never get lost and every new scene will get a decent script. I guarantee you, everyone will be happier that way.

mebejoe

justsomedude101

That is a huge bummer.

mebejoe

justsomedude101 Yes - the scripters own their scripts, so if they were to leave we would not be able to carry their scripts (without their approval/etc.).

You know you could enter into agreements that give you perpetual rights to use the scripts. You would probably need to agree to continue paying royalties on them as well. I really don't see how anything else makes sense. Especially scripts for SLR Originals.

rerun119

LordCrash Great question. That really scares me that @RealcumberScripts could leave with everything

doublevr

There are NO scripters to hire assuring high quality
We specifically look to establish creators community everywhere on SLR

RealcumberScripts

rerun119 @mebejoe @Regersan @LordCrash @BungaBunga

Hey guys - I really enjoy working with SLR and I am very dedicated and internally very involved in many aspects of SLR and here for the long run (forever if possible!)

I've worked with @doublevr and the SLR team since day 1 helping build SLR Interactive (very first scripts were from me!)

I'm really happy here, I work exclusively here, I'm not going anywhere and neither are any of my scripts so please rest assured a script will remain if its made by me 🙂

That said, content removal happens on all the great creator platforms out there (including SLR) though its relatively rare.
To be safe, if you really want to guarantee forever access to a script, consider purchasing that script individually to keep access in your account forever - this simultaneously directly supports scripters like myself to keep up the excellent quality content for you guys!

Slur

Wow! Glad I never caved and upgraded to “lifetime” scripts! What a silly business model for scripts you have created. What a joke…

Edit: to state the (apparently not) obvious, you should have a clause of SLR’s ownership of scripts in your contracts. Your legal team should be helping protect your assets that generate revenue. It’s clear that your current contracts, if there are any, are not favoring the business. Why are you paying $500 for scripts you don’t own?!?
https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/3385-slr-is-paying-500-creators-for-originals-scripts
Big miss here. Fix it.

Edit 2: are videos this way too? If Nash leaves do all his videos go too?

Kieshi

Slur We do own scripts that are 500 each, they will not be going anywhere. All other scripts on SLR however are not owned by us, this is why if creator leaves - his scripts are not ours to keep.

BungaBunga

The issue here is one of ownership and licensing. As a creator, you own the copyright in anything you create that can be copyrighted unless is it a work for hire. If SLR were to hire someone as an employee or on a contract that stated it was work for hire, then they would own the copyright in the script, yes. But this depends on scripters being willing to work under such an arrangement. Why would you, if you can make more money by retaining ownership for yourself? Your skill is in demand, people want your content, that's the very definition of opportunity. As long as scripting remains a difficult skill to obtain, scripters will be in the driving seat.

An example from my own field of work: you may have heard of Salesforce. It's a CRM platform that businesses use to handle customers. It has its own software development platform based around a proprietary language. If you want to do custom development on top of Salesforce you need developers who can use this language and platform. It's not particularly hard to pick up, but there aren't many people who have the skill because frankly it's boring work, so it's super expensive to hire people to do it. And it's essentially impossible to hire people to do it as permanent employees because they can make so much more money doing it as a contractor. You can hire someone inexperienced and train them up, but once they acquire the skill to a high enough level, they realise they can make much more money as a contractor and they leave to go contracting.

Right now, scripting is in this position. High demand, low supply, and the creator is firmly in control. It won't always be this way. Eventually, AI tools will reach the point where it can be largely automated, and then it'll become a commodity skill and companies like SLR will be able to have junior staff who just take care of the auto-scripting bot, and they will own all the rights, and scripts will just be available for all content by default.

I'm sure SLR could negotiate either assignment of copyright or 'perpetual and irrevocable' licenses for scripts. Then they could not be taken away by the creator later. I imagine the $500 script offer probably works that way. But if I were a script creator in demand I would not agree to that if I could retain my rights and improve my bargaining position. The time investment required is too great to give those rights away for a one-time payment, unless it's a very big payment.

SLR has more scripts available than any other place by a country mile. They obviously got there by offering deals that attracted scripters. If the price of that was agreeing a deal that allows the scripter to walk away later because that's what they insist on, then that's the deal you have to do, because the alternative is not having the script at all. Yeah, it sucks for us that scripters can withdraw their scripts later, just like it sucks for us that studios can withdraw their content from the platform. I'm sure SLR doesn't like it either. But they are not the ones in control here.

Kieshi

BungaBunga exactly this. Nothing to add, really 🙂

Slur

Kieshi is this also true for videos?

spacepirate

RealcumberScripts I'm really happy here, I work exclusively here, I'm not going anywhere

thats what everyone says... until they are no longer happy or no longer needed.

RealcumberScripts

justsomedude101

Really well said and really well articulated points @justsomedude101 👍️

CzechVR is an excellent example of companies learning things about scripts the harder way - I used to work for them in another life and since leaving their script quality has significantly dropped, much lowered output and they seem to continue to struggle to find quality reliable scripters to this day

I think its really important to note that scripting actually involves alot of skill and thus scripters and script quality are not always equal

There are some really bad scripts out there, and and there are some really good scripts out there - the good ones are where the magic is at. They can be crazy good and incredibly immersive, and very much worth paying for and returning to time and time again

LordCrash But why don't you just approach your free-lancing scripters and try to buy the rights for their scripts for former SLRO scenes? That way you would ensure that they're not gone in the long run, no matter what happens. And you wouldn't discourage anybody doing new scripts, maybe even quite the contrary. Maybe some are just happy with a bigger paycheck by you guys, who knows? Have you even thought about that possibility?

@LordCrash - I know for sure that I wouldnt have created nearly as many and nearly as high quality scripts that I have here on SLR ever since without SLR's current creator system in place

Any significant changes to the current system could actually significantly change my incentive and motivation, so as long as that remains, then its business as usual and there is nothing to worry about as a scripter and also a customer

bobbytables doublevr I don't pay youtube a chunk of money every single month for access to scripts on a video platform that i pay significantly more for. What an incredibly bad faith argument. If you want to compare yourself to youtube then fine, make your premium cost $10/month and offer unlimited downloads. If you don't intend to do those things then don't compare yourself to youtube.

I think a better fairer comparison is Netflix or Spotify

Studios add and remove their content on those platform all the time, but Netflix also creates their own original content, and that's the content that makes sense that it will perpetually remain

Also, its really important to note - you never own anything you watch on Netflix, you can only stream it while subscribed, so once your sub expires there is nothing to keep, which is very different from SLR where you do get to keep content after the fact, including scripts

spacepirate thats what everyone says... until they are no longer happy or no longer needed.

Really hope not and not sure why that would ever change or if I should be at all concerned?
I think a big part of my continued happiness here and feeling of being needed here is because of amazing support from the many invaluable customers like yourself here, so really hope that continues

justsomedude101

mebejoe Our model is a significant reason for the wild success of interactive content here at SLR. That can't really be overstated.

It's super easy for folks to sit back and offer up how we should do things, and tbh that's to be expected. I do the same thing all the time. But most of these suggestions are the ones used by some other sites...and it hasn't exactly gone particularly well for them AFAIK, nor for their users who would like high quality, frequent scripts.

CzechVR is an example, but it looks like they haven't uploaded a script since Dec 2022 and afaik they've struggled quite a bit over the years to retain scripters. Believe they've fully acknowledged this challenge a few times.

WankzVR/MilfVR/POVR too, and while it looks like they technically have scripts available, I honestly couldn't tell you whether they're still locked into the contract with FeelConnect or how you are even supposed to play their interactive content. They've been promising an interactive upgrade to move away from FeelConnect since I started paying attention to VR porn in 2018 or so. Maybe they have by now? But I don't really see much discussion in their forum about interactive content, so maybe it's still in the works.

NaughtyAmerica is another one, but I remember the quality of their scripts being pretty widely panned on reddit (full disclosure: I've never tried them, so I can't judge) and I'm not sure whether they're still releasing more (haven't noticed any posts from them announcing new scripts like they were doing for a while).

Whereas we continue to attract new folks who want to script, have numerous scripts released every single week, have what I would consider universally-praised quality of scripts, etc. etc. etc. The complaints we get are 99% around wanting MORE things scripted.

"But if a scripter leaves SLR loses the scripts!" - Correct, that's the trade-off. That's the risk that's run to have what is (I think) hands-down the best scripting and interactive program & content available.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk 😅

LordCrash

justsomedude101 "But if a scripter leaves SLR loses the scripts!" - Correct, that's the trade-off. That's the risk that's run to have what is (I think) hands-down the best scripting and interactive program & content available.

But why don't you just approach your free-lancing scripters and try to buy the rights for their scripts for former SLRO scenes? That way you would ensure that they're not gone in the long run, no matter what happens. And you wouldn't discourage anybody doing new scripts, maybe even quite the contrary. Maybe some are just happy with a bigger paycheck by you guys, who knows? Have you even thought about that possibility?

Slur

justsomedude101
Are SLRO videos subject to the same type of removal as scripts when the content creator leaves SLR?

mebejoe

justsomedude101 Our model is a significant reason for the wild success of interactive content here at SLR. That can't really be overstated.
etc.

I really appreciate the long and thoughtful answer, and I think you might have missed my point.

Unless you're saying that if SLR had a provision in its agreements with scripters that gave SLR a perpetual license to use the scripts so long as SLR continues to pay royalties (commissions?) on the scripts, that fewer and less skilled scripters would provide scripts. I'm not sure you could know that unless you try it.

I can't speak for other users, but for me, the reason SLR is my favorite site is because of the combination of the awesome app with great and easy to use functionality (including the interactive features), the great selection of videos (including SLR originals), AND the high number of great quality of scripts.

You guys are awesome, no doubt.

That said, I think that many users would agree the biggest disappointment is when content is removed--scripts or videos.

We are NOT second-guessing your business model or your devotion to providing the best user experience--just offering suggestions

bobbytables

doublevr I don't pay youtube a chunk of money every single month for access to scripts on a video platform that i pay significantly more for. What an incredibly bad faith argument. If you want to compare yourself to youtube then fine, make your premium cost $10/month and offer unlimited downloads. If you don't intend to do those things then don't compare yourself to youtube.

justsomedude101

Slur To be perfectly transparent I have no idea whether it's any different for the SLRO scripts. That's a bit over my paygrade. Though here's a relevant post by @RealcumberScripts from further up discussing this topic if you didn't see it: https://forum.sexlikereal.com/d/3587-scripts-removed-why/17

Slur

justsomedude101 I appreciate the response, but I think you misunderstand my question.

We have learned that some scripts can be removed when their creator leaves SLR. My question is not related scripts anymore. Forget scripts exist for this next line:

Can some SLRO VIDEOS be removed when their creators leave SLR?

bobbytables

RealcumberScripts Both of those services are significantly cheaper than SLR, not only that, they ALSO publish content when it's leaving ahead of time and still offer a way to download unlimited of their content for offline use. Sure it's through their apps, but again, it's unlimited and like 1/3 the price on top of not using customers as tests for various features. Any which way you look at it both of those services treat their customers far better than SLR, so until SLR does those things they still can't be a point of reference.

LordCrash

RealcumberScripts I know for sure that I wouldnt have created nearly as many and nearly as high quality scripts that I have here on SLR ever since without SLR's current creator system in place

Any significant changes to the current system could actually significantly change my incentive and motivation, so as long as that remains, then its business as usual and there is nothing to worry about as a scripter and also a customer

I didn't request any significant changes to the system, only an additional option.

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