fenderwq Heresphere is just cherry picking what he wants to copy next from SLR logic. There is no innovation coming from him any more. He has a good player, now he wants to steal some business from us. It doesn't work like that. He was offered to cooperate and we supported him a lot in early days. But he chose not to cooperate
Feedback. Less all the time?
doublevr I don't really think this is what's happening tbh. Being part on the Heresphere discord server it seems to me he's just implementing user requests.
I think it's more something similar to this: If photoshop implemented a new ai background removal option and all the users of your photo editor software started to request this feature as well would you decline it because someone else beat you to the punch? Out of ethical considerations? To me, that just wouldn't make much sense tbh
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fenderwq It just coincides that users request things from SLR outside of our eco-system because it's easy to steal what's out there. Somehow they are short coming up with new features that aren't on SLR LOL. And it just magically works exactly the same way as on SLR - because why would you re-invent it? Also I will tell you a secret that we pay a lot to stay ahead of competition getting the best devs and talents out there. Things like HS and XBVR are just there to steal content and features.
Do you understand now why we don't want to support such a poor business?
doublevr well SLR is my favourite vr site and part of that is the willingness of SLR to innovate and experiment (the other part of course the content). I also think you made vr very accessible to the masses, which someone that watches vr more casually than I will especially appreciate. You also have a cool player that lots of user are more than happy with. Those are all things that that dev money has bought you right?
As for the rest I'm afraid I still just don't see how it would be so bad for some of the more involved users to make up their own mind about what player to use.
Also if I where to use another player as deovr exclusively I'd still have a yearly membership at SLR + scripts.
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doublevr What are we even discussing here?
Simple: That you still have the inferior VR player.
You described why you don't like HS and I got it and appreciate the honesty. Problem remains that the player you offer is inferior to HS and therefore the OP is right with his critique from a customer perspective. As soon as DeoVR is as good or better as HS again I might also change my player again. That's up on you guys though.
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doublevr How do XBVR and HS steal content? They just allow users to use content they bought from SLR and studio websites in the way they prefer. Even if you support a different player we will still have to pay you for the content.
The layout with title screen thumbnails, hash tags and cuepoints aren't that unique and the most logical way to present and manage videos. I don't see how someone can steal such basic concepts.
I guess the real problem is that Herephere API allows every small studio to offer streaming. That's why CzechVR, Naughty America, Wankz/POVR and soon Badoink network support that API - they want to offer streaming without investing in their own player or sharing revenue with SLR.
Jacksonjdr94 I don't envy those who have purchased a lifetime subscription.
I have a lifetime subscription and have for years-- please don't feel sorry for me. There's more great stuff here than I have time to watch. And the SLR app is much better than what the other sites offer.
doublevr wait wait wait. Are you earnestly trying to argue that he "stole" concepts from a public-facing UI? If that's the case that we can claim you stole the concept of video streaming entirely from a number of websites. The web is a contributory ecosystem where the tide rises all ships. If he didn't steal source code from you then there is literally no argument. The majority of the modern web and the tools you use are quite literally ideas copied from others. Dude I don't know how ANYONE can try to claim that it's theft to create the same features as present elsewhere on the internet. Your entire video layout only exists because of patterns that one person created and rinse-repeat stolen across the web.
doublevr I don't understand. I'm not a computer programmer. I had Heresphere before i had ever heard of Deovr player. Since he had it first did you steal from him in the beginning? I use it for every video and site other than SLR. How is Heresphere better than Deo if he is stealing from you? Is your 6dof a stolen feature? One of the best things that Heresphere does is have that always on and works amazingly. Deo player would be a lot better if you had that too. Steal it.
Does letting the customer use it somehow allow him to steal. I still need a subscription to SLR.
If I have to use Deovr player especially because you don't want me to download then make it as good as Heresphere. That would make life a lot easier.
Please don't be mad at me because I like Heresphere better. Make Deovr player better than Heresphere and we the customer all win.
If SLR don’t want to work with the Heresphere guy, that’s their decision. The fact is that they are, as I understand it, the number one VR porn site by some distance. If they went all in on Heresphere, it would undoubtedly lead to greater sales for the guy who owns it and they don’t want him to use their content to sell his VR player. By not supporting Heresphere, they are keeping a lot of people off it and using their own player instead. If people desperately want to watch SLRO stuff on Heresphere, they can but SLR aren’t going to set up an API over there and make it easy for him to make extra money off the back of their content if they don’t want to.
As for VRB leaving? They can’t control what third party studios choose to do with their own content.
I’m not saying all this as some SLR shill, I complain often about the lack of variety in their content. Fair is fair though, some things they can’t control and sometimes you don’t do business with people you don’t like/trust. It’s as simple as that.
doublevr we pay a lot to stay ahead of competition getting the best devs
clearly thats not the case because one ordinary guy has built a better app than your team of superstar devs
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Jacksonjdr94 While I think it's a bit extreme to say they're taking away more than they add, you do have a point that SLR does have a tendency to take away features from subscribers. First it removed DLNA (only to add it back later), then all the points you listed as well. Every time, it's led to many disgruntled customers and a PR disaster.
I think SLR would benefit greatly from adopting a customer first mindset. Every decision should make the customer experience better, not worse. If anything gets removed, give the customers even more in return.
For example:
1) Removing Heresphere support -> Make DeoVR even better
Find out why so many users prefer Heresphere. Get devs to implement the features that users love, then add more features to make it even better. Nobody would complain about Heresphere if DeoVR was a far better player.
2) Losing VRBangers & VRConk -> Make deals with other bigger and better studios
We instantly lost hundreds of quality videos. Work towards signing on other big studios and get those videos replaced.
I think SLR does do a lot of things right. They added new features such as the hide feature, pass-through and BYOJ. They have great casting. They are actively looking to improve the UI. If they adopt a customer first mindset to EVERYTHING they do, they'll be loved by everybody.
doublevr In other words, you really don't care about his criticisms. Your response is essentially, "You want to do it"? Very passive aggressive way of saying F off, you don't care, isn't it?
mookiemeatball not as negative as you put it. That's really sick. Like really
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doublevr you've done almost zero work actually responding and following through with feedback. You actively remove features for zero benefit, and when brought up nothing happens. I've been working in greenfield software for years, eventually managing and being the PM of multiple projects, i know the ins and outs of problems users don't realize. But that said I also know that most of the complaints are incredibly easily fixed. unless your codebase is a total dumpster fire there's zero reason for some features to be removed and never reappear (i.e. the interactive toggle). It's actually baffling. I'd apply to work with SLR but I know for certain you and I wouldn't get along, because I'd push for truly positive changes people want. things like:
- separate category for passthrough videos
- Passthrough features like a color picker for those not wanting to use passthrough. Why your other employee(?) said that choosing a color reduces framerates lower than passthrough is beyond me. That's a massive red flag for some serious serious engineering issues.
- pull back on # of videos per week and instead push back toward a happy medium for release # and production budget
- proper filtering tools for lists
- actually better video production. IDK what happened, but if you compare video releases from last year to today the quality, the actual like bitrate and lighting and color, is horrible in comparison to what we had a year or two ago. For example the latest taboo scene, shot in what looks like the same place as that one Xxlayna scene, but somehow leagues worse in quality. Meanwhile competitors are actually crushing it on video quality (POVR, Wankz, etc).
- an actual save to favorites button that is separate from like button to better judge engagement (many people use like just to save for watching later)
- spending more money on better contracts with bigger studios and less on hardware projects. Your ROI on contracts is almost always going to be better than ROI on hardware, no matter what the industry is.
- higher requirements for video submission from third party productions.
- checklist of requirements for all SLR productions driven by video segment analytics (not sure if you have the data, but you should get it if you don't )
- potentially moving over to a split subscription model. i.e. let people subscribe to SLR originals only for a reduced fee. Especially stream only.
etc.