If SLR is going to be putting out rotoscoped greenscreen videos, can we get the original non-greenscreen version? Unless the data is wrong, the majority have oculus quest 2, and oculus quest 2 passthrough looks awful. So my options are having this grainy terrible monochrome environment or have the color green assaulting my eyeballs. The latest scene is basically unwatchable
Shared this with the team. I've asked previously if it would be possible to adjust the greenscreen color to something else (for example black) for users without Passthrough-enabled headsets and was told it would be possible. Not sure whether it's currently being considered but will find out.
justsomedude101 at the very least why not release the version without the green screen rotoscope. like the latest vid isn't even shot against an actual greenscreen as far as i can tell, it's just masked out. So drop the version without the mask. I don't mind, and i'm sure others wouldn't mind either, if it has production gear all over the place that's being hidden. even if she's still in a greenscreen room that would be better than the awful quick-roto that was done. As of now it's mostly unwatchable, and that's really unfortunate considering she was one of the most hyped upcoming actresses.
bobbytables So my options are having this grainy terrible monochrome environment or have the color green assaulting my eyeballs. The latest scene is basically unwatchable.
Finally someone who tells the truth as it is... thought I was the only one who had not succumbed to this passthrough nonsense that is ruining VR with the new mantra "I move the girl about three feet away so you can see the background and it looks like she's in your room"....
Another stupid variant of the "look but don't touch" western VR movie...
Hey, we are talking about a solution to convert videos shot on greenscreen to a more pleasant color.
Or enabling an option to show app backgrounds instead of passthrough.
Whatever comes first.
@bobbytables The original is actually shot in a green room, so there was no rotoscoping. After checking it myself - I will give you that - the keying should be done better, will talk to post production team to see if they can fix it.
bobbytables like the latest vid isn't even shot against an actual greenscreen as far as i can tell, it's just masked out.
It was indeed shot on a green screen set
That's why I'm looking into the possibility of adjusting the background color, since something darker would be less harsh on the eyes if you don't have a headset that supports Passthrough.
Natch thought I was the only one who had not succumbed to this passthrough nonsense that is ruining VR with the new mantra "I move the girl about three feet away so you can see the background and it looks like she's in your room"....
Sorry you aren't a fan of the Passthrough, and maybe some day with a newer or future headset you'll find one you like. But just to be clear I don't think there is any plan whatsoever to stop producing this type of content. It's pushing the medium forward and the Passthrough releases thus far have been hugely popular and in large part very well-received.
Sandi_SLR Hey, we are talking about a solution to convert videos shot on greenscreen to a more pleasant color.
The color is really not the issue at hand. It's that these scenes are basically unwatchable for quite a substantial portion of your customers. Some might not even have passthrough on their device and even those who have might not like it because it looks ridiculously bad on pretty much every available headset, especially those for the mass market and it's likely not even providing the stuff they're here for in the first place...
Sandi_SLR Hey, we are talking about a solution to convert videos shot on greenscreen to a more pleasant color.
How about just making a separate studio/site for AR porn? I've not subscribed for this.
justsomedude101 Sorry you aren't a fan of the Passthrough, and maybe some day with a newer or future headset you'll find one you like. But just to be clear I don't think there is any plan whatsoever to stop producing this type of content. It's pushing the medium forward and the Passthrough releases thus far have been hugely popular and in large part very well-received.
First, there are a shitload of people who don't like these scenes. Even on different forums people talk about this stuff and certainly not in the best manner. I guess you gained a few new customers while making others unhappy. A trade off that is obviously working for you but obviously not for everyone else.
Second, shooting stuff in front of a green-screen doesn't push anything forward tbh. How is that supposed to pushing any innovation? You don't even produce headsets, imho you simply spare the money for decent settings. From the cheap warehouse to the even cheaper greenscreen setting, pretty clever cost-cutting plan actually...
Third, you might also offer 2D content that is popular but it's still not the point of the site. Virtual reality is about experiencing stuff in virtual reality, not in my own reality. So he actual term for this passthrough stuff isn't virtual reality (VR) but advanced reality (AR). You really shouldn't be surprised that people who subcribed for VR porn are maybe not that pleased that you use their money to shoot AR porn and offer it to them as some kind of revolution they had to like. Advanced reality isn't a somethingSLR invented, it's been there for years.
I get that you want to continue to do these things but then I guess you have to simply deal with negative feedback. It's part of that trade off I wrote about above.
That patronizing "We know it better than you, you simply have not come to terms about how amazing this is but you will some day in the future" attitude is pretty irritating though. It's like telling people who say that they like pie and subscribed for pie should also be happy with pizza and that pizza was great and that some day they would see how great pizza was while all they actually wanted and asked for in the first place was pie...
I do wonder if Alex Nash ever decided to shoot for somebody else one day all that remained for SLRO were cheap warehouse scenes and even cheaper scenes before green screens. Pretty sad version of the future imho...
justsomedude101 This is how I see it. Maybe 20% of the people like PT and 80% don't like it or can't even watch with PT.
There are 4 green screen video out on SLR so you get 20% of the people watching it over and over. I'm sure this makes the numbers look good. So now you and other companies are all going to chase that 20% until the PT market is full and the numbers start to come down. I do understand going after the money. But the 80% start to lose faith in SLR because they stopped making videos that we can watch.
The problem is that I can't watch it if I wanted to. So when you put a girl that has never shot a VR video before then 80% of us just get pissed that we might never see her in VR.
If you are just going to take the background out of the video with editing then can't you do this with any video? Why not just make a normal video and do it. I have to wait on videos to be scripted. Can't you do the same thing with PT? Or make a different studio called SLRPT (like SLR Trans) and put a video out every Wednesday that way we don't feel gypped.
LordCrash That patronizing "We know it better than you, you simply have not come to terms about how amazing this is but you will some day in the future" attitude is pretty irritating though
Pretty sure I never said that or anything condescending, so sorry if it read like that. But the rest is good feedback, even if I personally disagree with portions of it, so thanks nevertheless.
rerun119 Also good feedback, so it's appreciated. I do want to point out though that we've also increased the release frequency every week, so I don't necessarily agree with the idea that we're alienating any our members since we're not only providing more variety with things like Passthrough releases that a lot of folks do enjoy, but we're also releasing more often every single week. But I understand what you're saying.
Sandi_SLR @justsomedude101 That's fine, but i'd actually prefer the version where i can see the greenscreen room instead of the key'd in green over the greenscreen room. At least then I can have a sense of space in the environment. like at the very least if you're gonna use a greenscreen room let us see it if we have to deal with greenscreen vids. All i'm asking now is that that vid that was released today is rereleased or given a second download option for the version without the keying/mask/whatever on and let me see the room, that will at least stop it from being a flat green 2d shape in front of my eyes.
In fact I really don't think changing the color would help much as you both have talked about, that doesn't necessarily help the glaring issue that with the key the color is now a 2d flat surface in front of your eyes. I think the real answer is to BOTH give an option for seeing the room AND changing the color, and if you can only do one do the one where you can see the room. I tried the scene again a few minutes ago and I started getting sick because your flat green gives no point of reference to the space around me, seeing the actual green room with the markers would fix that. I can pretend i'm a pornstar filming on set or something if i have to.
unwatchable without passthrough.
unwatchable with the suckass passthrough on the quest 2.
and for the handful of people who own a headset with decent resolution color passthrough its probably still unwatchable, thanks to the amount of green spill. its like youre fucking someone from shrek.
Idea: You could put a CGI background or a custom room background instead of the original green screen from the video. 
Could be awesome to have a few backgrounds + the green screen version for passthrough and then be able to select the version you want to watch.
I get it that there are more releases therefore we’re not losing content quantity to these experiments, but it is pretty disappointing when anticipated quality talent finally get shot, but in unwatchable scenes. Maybe shoot the less anticipated performers in these? I wouldn’t be sad at all if this pass-through stuff died on the vine though, and I really hope enough people start to speak out often enough that this happens. I have zero interest banging hotties in my shitty bedroom - it’s semi-interesting for about 30 seconds. If I was well off enough to have a view in real life that matched the quality of the girl(s), I probably wouldn’t be fucking them in VR, yes? I far prefer the gorgeous mansions with windows looking out to beautiful views that you guys used to put out on a regular basis.
The smallest thing that kills the immersion and then what’s the point? — VR porn is supposed to transport you into believable fantasy. Experiment is good to a point, but please don’t get so unfocused that you kill the competitive advantage SLR has gained. Hot girls, lots of them and often, in incredible settings. I’d much rather pay for two good quality scenes per week, than four sub-par warehouse set pieces and unwatchable experiment that is interesting to easily less than 20% of the subscriber base.
argyle43 I think it would still be better than watching a green screen. Else you are just left with the "option" of not watching if you don't have a good device for passthrough or if you don't like passthrough.
They need to find a way so the videos can be used in both passthrough with a green screen and "normal" with a background. These videos will still be made and there will be even more of them in the future once more people will have a device that has a good passthrough. We just need to find a way that can benefit everyone.
justsomedude101 Sorry you aren't a fan of the Passthrough, and maybe some day with a newer or future headset you'll find one you like. But just to be clear I don't think there is any plan whatsoever to stop producing this type of content. It's pushing the medium forward and the Passthrough releases thus far have been hugely popular and in large part very well-received.
I can assure you that I will never use it, even if I have a full color crystal clear passthrough... which I will have next month with PS VR2.
Personally, putting a pornstar in my bedroom or living room breaks my immersion, because I know that's not true. And the blending between video and background is never going to be perfect, you always notice glitches and imperfections in the blending of both layers that break immersion.
Passthrough is an immersion breaking machine.
Passthrough forces you to position your body at the same angle as the camera, and that's often not possible, or it's uncomfortable, or it's an angle you don't like. That's why in the end it comes down to two shots: lying down or standing up. Completely limited. I watch VR seated...
On top of that, the passthrough makes the movies more boring and restrictive, because there are limitations on angles so that the perspective of the background is not spoiled. So you are pushing the girls further away from the camera and a lot of more varied camera shots that don't fit well with the passthrough have been eliminated.
Movies with passthrough are worse and duller than normal ones, all others aside....
If this is going to be the future of VR...count me out.
Natch If this is going to be the future of VR...count me out
And that’s the whole point. It isn’t virtual reality, it’s augmented reality and I have no desire to augment my reality when it comes to sex. Gaming, business, sure, but sex? Fuck no. Take me to the Bahamas or to a tastefully furnished villa in a sunny place, but get me the fuck out of my dreary bedroom. I seriously doubt these AR experiments are getting the likes and views that Nashterpiece scenes get. I mean c’mon.
Just replace the background???? Problem solved....
