Competition is good for users and ecosystem, better tech faster and cheaper -> hence more available to mass market

    doublevr Looks like Handy is actively pushing their automated interactive scripts service to paysites.

    Clarify, please. You're not saying that SLR will stop supporting use of the Handy, are you?

    If not, I don't know why anyone here would be too worried.

        doublevr just a reflection. I'm okay with what Handy is doing. They kinda spoil it, but that's how things work. I'm sure we are going to win this game.

        what I love most about using an SLR is using haptics to control edging that The Handy just can't provide

            jacky68 FYI: You can easily create an edging button for the handy if you have some programming skills (https://staging.handyfeeling.com/api/handy/v2/docs/). Personally, I have this (and other things) mapped to the buttons of an xbox controller and also have it accessible by a little GUI (already had this before it was a feature and the SLR one does not work for me on PC).

                Just want to say the Handy sucks and the Keon is superior. Hoping SLR's device is even better.

                  RockyMtHigh

                  Might be superior in your eyes but SLR won't support Bluetooth devices much longer, sometime 2024 is the current time frame for that to end. Which is little to convenient that they announced their own toy to be released around the same time Bluetooth support would end. let's hope SLR manage do manage to pull off something awesome with there own toy.

                      dojimmy yeah it's certainly my opinion, though I do think that the construction of the handy, especially to use straight out of the box, is awful.

                      That said, regarding the bluetooth thing, I will either just use SLRs or buy whatever is the best and compatible at the time. Hopefully it isn't the handy. My only concern about SLRs device is they seem to have a lot of amazing features planned, and hope they aren't going to miss the main purposes of the device in an effort to add some unique features. Spreading themselves too thin, if you will. But I have faith.

                          RockyMtHigh I agree completely about the handy being awful out the box, where The keon is definitely more useable. Once i got a sturdy and easy to adjust handsfree setup I find the the handy way easier to use set up and move around. And being an edging fan there is nothing more annoying than running out of batter mid session.

                            I posted about this a while back, was interesting to read Handy's response. All I care about is being able to enjoy good scripts in perpetuity without being tied to a sub. I'm not a fan of their DRM, even tokens which "don't expire" - anyone with a history of downloading audible books or mobile games knows that licenses expire and companies go bust, so access to your content can be denied at any time. The only way to take ownership of digital content is to be able to download the full original source - in this case scenes and the associated scripts. The recent VRB departure is a reminder of this.

                            Too many companies in this space are short-sighted, trying to grab money / subs instead of putting the customer first to secure market share. It's still a young industry with massive growth ahead. Customer experience is everything and making us jump through hoops is a good way to fail. Handy's idea is good for them, but bad for studios who adopt it. I don't know anyone subbed to NAVR or POVR because of their half-hearted attempt at script integration.

                              vrpicasso

                              Povr will improve massively with Heresphere script integration, which is being worked on at the moment according the Dev on discord. I tried for month, but in its present browser only iteration it sucks ass, so I cancelled. Big plus is the scripts being included in the base subscription.

                              Naughy America is just overpriced and not all that with there direction and scene variety, star power on point but still grossly overpriced wilth the interactive bolt on bolt on.

                                fenderwq This is interesting....but wait,....programming skills....wow, this is I don't have any

                                    I would put it this way.

                                    Automated scripts remind me of year 2015 cardboards compared to Quest Pro we have now on SLR. Of course there's some room for improvement like Cardobard did all the way till 2020 or something before software got deprecated, but fundamentally it's not going to match skilled script creator.

                                    And I'm not even sure if Cardboards even were a good thing. Many people tried it and decided to never do VR again.

                                    We try to get what's viable with automation and put it in the skilled hands of script creator.

                                    Give me a few more months and I’ll have something that will outperform human made scripts. Was going to try to demo it at the AVN Expo next month (I assumed SLR would be there)… but then Life said “yo, Fuck yer plans!”

                                    This talk reminds me of the various forum posts I have seen on auto-generated subtitles vs professionally-created ones. If the quality of Handy's automated scripts pales in comparison to what SLR manually pushes out, fans will realize it and only prefer the latter--especially if the price difference is negligible (or not even a factor to begin with). Immersion--be it with scripts that perfectly emulate what needs emulating or accurately translated and timed text on screen--will always remain paramount.

                                    Philip Faster and cheaper more often leads to plastic Walmart crap. Faster/cheaper is what Handy and NAVR is selling - are you on their side? Or the side of the scripters that work hard for you and the customers who pretty much only choose SLR for the scripts?