I switched over to one camgirl and there is obviously a fucked up situation going on. inbetween crying she's falling asleep sitting up and when we asked if everything was okay she started having a verbal yell fight with someone in russian(?). This isn't the first time something reeked of trafficking, how do we report it?
How do we report fucked up cam girl situations? Trafficking maybe?
bobbytables
dreamcam.com
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Without knowing the specifics of the model you cite, I have a few comments in general about tears during VR cam streams.
It's very easy for viewers to misunderstand what they are seeing when a model cries.
According to verbal comments previously made by one model, concerning one of the big Eastern European VR cam houses, the models must commit to several weeks of streaming on whatever shifts they are assigned. I would naturally assume they are fined (deducted from their income) for appearing late for their shift, for missing a scheduled shift, or for leaving a shift early.
This can be particularly rough on newer models who may be required to show up and stream at a time when they are normally asleep, particularly when nothing is happening except for a few silent viewers, with an occasional trolling chat comment and no tips.
A few months back a sad model was asked if everything was okay, and she sarcastically replied, "I just love having to come in to work and not make any money." Another crying model stated, "I need a lot of money and there are no jobs available."
Certainly some of the models seem to be inadequately trained, simply waiting passively for a viewer to comment or tip.
Like a stripper in a club, they go to work each day not knowing how much they will earn. If it's a dead shift, they might not earn anything. It would be very stressful to face such monetary uncertainty.
Because we are viewing for entertainment and fun, it's easy to assume models are camming for fun, but the truth is it's just a job for them. Like all of us, there are times when we hate our job and wish we didn't have to come to work. But we show up for work anyway, because we are responsible adults.
It is particularly tough for newer models who haven't yet built a base of loyal fans/tippers. So if a newer model drops her happy-sexy facade while sitting alone and bored in a cam room for hours, I don't assume her sadness means she is trafficked. It could easily mean the job is not working out as she had hoped, or her sadness is due to her personal problems, or she suffers from depression or is bipolar. She doesn't cut the cam session short, because she would get fined if she did. One seemingly-bipolar VR cam girl stated while crying, "Honestly, I don't want you all to see me in this state, but...[shrugs] what can I do." That same model would sometimes cry tears of joy when happy; her emotions were simply close to the surface.
There are some American cam sites (non-VR) which will cut off the stream of any model crying on cam, to avoid the appearance of sex trafficking. I prefer when the models are able to freely express their honest happy or sad emotions. But of course each cam house should have mechanisms in place to avoid their facilities being used for sex trafficking.
Honkster this wasn't some sort of "slightly tired and bored" thing, she literally fell asleep in the middle of typing, that's an indicator of extreme exhaustion or drugs, not being off your sleep schedule. When asked if she was okay she literally never answered anyone like she wasn't allowed to. I find it really odd you're erring on the side of "it's probably fine" instead of caution that someone might be literally traficked. such an odd take.
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bobbytables As I indicated, I was not commenting on the specific stream you witnessed. If you really think something was wrong you should contact Dreamcam and give them the details.
Honkster then literally wtf why reply to this thread? all your doing is erring on the side of "maybe people aren't being trafficked" instead of are. It's a fucked up take.
bobbytables Why the hostility? I switched over to this thread and see a "verbal yell fight" coming from you towards another member here in English just for giving his free world take about his experience "in general about tears during VR cam streams." I agree you should report this extreme case, but lashing out at someone for having a different, but honest and thorough viewpoint plucked a nerve. That could've been me. This isn't reddit, we try to keep a more user-friendly environment here, just in case you didn't know.
I hope the camgirl gets the help she needs with your help even if it may not be needed. And just as you or Honkster may not need my help or thoughts on the matter, I'm responding in the same capacity because of MY concern about this written heated-exchange situation.
Sorry... but somewhere in the Forum is s similar thread about this topic.
And i was honestly shocked by the lack of compassion and empathy of most users!
Thanks for raising this issue! I want to check on the well-being of the model in question.
So that I can investigate this further I would be grateful if you could email me directly at jayme AT sexlikereal.com with details of what you saw, the screen name of the model, and the approximate date and time. (Ideally in UTC.)
I will contact DreamCam and we will talk to the studio involved.
I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to raise this, and I would encourage anyone who has any concerns about anything they see on the platform to get in touch.
Honkster I prefer when the models are able to freely express their honest happy or sad emotions. But of course each cam house should have mechanisms in place to avoid their facilities being used for sex trafficking.
I agree with the most what you wrote about sad models...
But this sentence made me think a lot...
Of cause, we all do not like our jobs some times... but how often you start to cry in public about it?
The stress of the girls is just immense!! Especially in the big Russian Studios!
They take a big chunk of the money, plus fees, plus stress...
... just for a cheap hotel room and an internet connection!
Please... do the maths... the studios making really big money!
The girls, even the high rulers, just live from months to months...
Thats the main reason i appreciate the SLR policy of stop working with them!
And dc is still making new contracts... mainly in Russia!!!
No wonder when you know from wich country the founders of dc and sc come...
But this is another topic...
Thanks to slr for the good and fair work... and for this forum!!
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Very nice to see the obvious decency coming through in this thread. Sex is supposed to be pleasurable. By and large, that means consensual, and an activity deemed fun (or at least safe) for all involved. Like others here, I would never want to be party to anything but that. I also appreciate that folks can (and do) raise their hand and it is met with action. Thank you, @Busbear, @Polar, and others.
argyle43 Absolutely agreed. Sex work is work and should be compensated fairly and sex workers should be treated with respect, just like any other job. Ideally the performers are having a great time, but even if it's just a gig, no one should ever feel unsafe or mistreated on a set. (Obviously there's room for consensual fantasy scenarios, but still...there's context.)
We all have a responsibility to consume ethically, which means paying a fair price and understanding who we're supporting. We can't let another GirlsDoPorn situation happen.
we might need some examples of consuming cam girls at a fair price
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spent about 2k a month on the cam stuff
if they are not remotely close to doing anything you want? don't say anything...watch for a bit and leave...maybe tip a few tokens to say hi.
i love tipping a few tokens and having them SAY it would be better if it were a 100
those are the girls that rarely ever see me again
if i care about them...i SAY never poo poo a buck...you have no idea what's behind it
the latest? vina. i was so disappointed...i forgot we had the exact same run in a year ago. i give her 48bucks in 5min of sign up and she makes a stupid comment like that....and way more egregious actions.
Honkster I've also seen someone cry on camera about not getting anything out of camming few times.
It sounded like they live in a situation where the camming is their last option and even that isn't working out. To get all riled up about not making money some of them might be on the verge of not being able to pay rent for example. It's sad to witness and I might as well shed a tear or 2.
I'd love to help these people out but I don't have unlimited money and if I went all in to help them all, I'd have no time of my own either let alone any money to live.
That being said and back on to the real topic of the thread, for the sake of human decency there could be a more visible automated system to report the human trafficking kind of situations. That way the hassle of emailing and going through a manual process could be avoided and people will more easily do these reports.
jussi465 It sounded like they live in a situation where the camming is their last option and even that isn't working out.
Yes.. its often the only option to make money for these young woman.
So its even more important, that they work in a good and save environment!
That is why i really appreciate the decision of SLR to not work with Studios from RUS anymore!
There the cam business is not legal anymore! And this means the girls have absolutely no rights!!
They have no legal contract, no health insurance.... nothing!
And they live in constant fear that the police will intervene.
And when they are ill or just a little too late, or say wrong things in chat, they have to pay huge fees!
And at the end of the day they get just 25% of the money they earn!
This is modern slavery! And this happens in the middle of Europe!!!
But what do i say... just look how Russia behaves in Ukrain...
So thank you again SLR for your brave step!!!
And please! Speak with DC and if you can to SC... that these guys also start to overthink that!
Read and agree with the concern and the support users wish to give to these girls. I haven't witnessed any such breakdowns (only occationally visiting after some of my favs stopped streaming. Can only suspect they had to flee because of the war or something.)
But any situation I've witnessed, or of viewers trying to solicit direct contact information camouflaged by technical issues with the stream or some such; other viewers have often enough stood up and protected the webcam girl or shared their concern / told off the other viewer who crosses the line.
That's a climate to be proud of. =) imho. so keep bringing up your concerns. stay awesome
The only time I came across a model that was upset was one night she was complaining about the condition of the environment she had to work in claiming that nothing is ever cleaned and she refuses to touch anything. Something about the beds being pee'd on or some shit. I didn't see her again after that night. I hope she's ok.