User requested performers not always work well

LordCrash

doublevr Some user suggestions don't work that well in global scheme of things

The framing is pretty weird since quite a few girls in these scenes were one-time suggestions at best, not repeated suggestions or suggestions with a lot of likes.

doublevr Cast seems to be the most important factor.

I'd say for some of these scenes technical issues like bad angles/camera and weird cuts or content/action that isn't exactly mainstream seem to be the most important factor.

I don't see the point of this thread actually, so please enlighten me.

Do you want to discuss why some scenes are rated worse than others? Then let's do that without the weird (and imho totally unsupported) framing that community suggestions would be the most important factor for such lower ratings. I don't think you've given even one actual reason so far why this was the case.

I had a bad day though...

catflap

I must admit I use the "like" button to highlight all my favorites - so I am "that guy" who does use the feature as you probably intended.

@doublevr Now that you have shared your "unsuccessful" videos - could you also share the equivalent "most popular" ones? I think it would be fun to have a discussion on what are the characteristics of the popular videos vs. the unpopular ones and maybe we can work out some of the secrets of success by comparison of the two sets?

LordCrash

doublevr We are totally committed to the community and constantly going to bring talent you guys suggest.

On a second look, most if not all of the women mentioned here were probably among the LEAST suggested pornstars by the community. Tbh I can't recall whether some of them were actually suggested by anyone in the first place... 🤔

doublevr Yet we are refining our logic for the best cast.

What's that supposed to mean? What's the old criteria and what's the new one?

abel906

I really do think that if the suggestions are going to be used regularly, they could do with some better way of recording interest (sure we have liking posts but sometimes a post with only a few likes probably just means that fewer people saw it). Some posts have pictures, some don't etc.

Also, opinions are a bit more nuanced than 'I like this or I don't'. In my mind, I have a page a bit like https://www.sexlikereal.com/pornstars with all the suggestions and then maybe voting buttons from 1-5 for each.

Ultimately, it's the users that watch scenes so the idea that out suggestions wouldn't work is odd to say the least.

justsomedude101

IMHO it comes down to what you're hoping to get specifically from the SLRO's being released.

If it's just about the amount of likes/overall popularity of the scene, then 75% of it comes down to casting and the rest is down to the theme/quality of the shooting/etc. Put Melody Marks in a scene and it'll get a shit ton of likes, streams, and downloads regardless of what it's about.

It seems like it would be pretty straight-forward to tell which actresses or combos would drive a high favorite/stream/download rate, if that's the main goal. Between responses here and in other forums to casting suggestions, I would imagine it being pretty identifiable anyway.

I personally can't think of a single SLRO scene with an actress that I thought would be super popular, but then wasn't. The opposite is definitely true though- seeing an actress and thinking "hmm, don't know how the response will be to this one" and then seeing it sit pretty low in favorites/likes.

If it's about the above but ALSO about drawing in new subscribers, then I think some of the linked scenes are great examples of more "niche" styles/demands that may not be as popular with the overall base, but may be unique or rare enough in VR that you'll draw in subscribers for them. I should say that I'm using the term "niche", but that's not really the best word since none of the linked scenes are really at all niche in the grand scheme of things. Just can't think of a more appropriate word. So I think they definitely have their place, though obviously I'm making a lot of assumptions here and don't know whether they actually drew in new subscribers.

I do think that now that we know polls are a doable thing in the forum that there could be some good opportunities of gauging interest/response and getting some useful data using those, though obviously it could pose some challenges in how to set up or keep it ongoing.

But this is all just my 2 cents. Even with the above scenes that were "less popular", SLR continues to be my #1 in huge part due to the SLR Originals you guys put out.

LordCrash

justsomedude101 If it's about the above but ALSO about drawing in new subscribers, then I think some of the linked scenes are great examples of more "niche" styles/demands that may not be as popular with the overall base, but may be unique or rare enough in VR that you'll draw in subscribers for them.

That's exactly how subscriptions work. Only producing mainstream stuff isn't the key, it's a road to failure. You need something of everything and for everyone, mainstream stuff and rather niche content in order to be attractive for a lot of people in the long run. The big movie and game subscription services know that pretty well and that's the reason why you can find a lot of niche and rather special there.

I mean, you're either able produce stuff that is so good and unique and beloved that people subscribe to be able to see that select (and limited) content (like Disney +) or you have to go the way described above, offering a pretty big and diverse collection of content (like Prime or Netflix).

Likes are probably among the least valuable KPIs to assess whether a scene adds to the overall value of the subscription imho...

spanker

yep...don't go by LIKES...i haven't used them that much as i wanted to keep that list sparse enough to find the clips needed before the battery died out on me

spanker

i also have about 3 or 4 clips on here that i have jerked to 30 plus times...they have between 100 and 200 likes

i feel that i probably need to get them a buck or two each time

there was a few that got deleted in that cleanup stage. and I went looking for them and was willing to pay 50-100bucks each if I could find them again....luckily didn't have to...20bucks for them altogether

clips that work are worth a ton...most others are just pre-whack search material...until battery is low

i might go thru that list on top of this thread...see if any of them are WHACKABLE...i am sure i scanned them when they came out

doublevr

@all have no doubts - by the end of the day favorites/likes is the best representation watchtime and everything.

LordCrash

doublevr Dude, that sentence makes no sense...

spacepirate

likes are a good metric but a likes-to-views ratio would be useful too

justsomedude101

LordCrash blaze466 Sounds like he's saying the likes/favorites are the best overall measure of how popular a scene is, and (I assume) that the likes have a strong correlation to time streamed & downloads.

LordCrash

justsomedude101 Sounds like he's saying the likes/favorites are the best overall measure of how popular a scene is, and (I assume) that the likes have a strong correlation to time streamed & downloads.

Maybe, but the point is that the popularity of a single scene based on likes or view is a really pretty worthless KPI without having a look at the bigger picture. The most important question is (or rather should be) whether a scene adds to the overall value of the subscription or not. Likes or views don't answer that question in an sufficient way. Of course they are part of the formula but rather worthless without the other parts and the whole formula itself.

spanker

went thru the first two on the list at top of thread the best I could

here to get fucked...not my bag of tea whatsoever...so review can't help there

eyes wide shut? very cool surroundings. group sex on the piece of furniture was perfect...couldn't have a better piece for that.

seemed the whole scene was trying to intimate a CUCK vibe, BUT all the execution of it fell short(commonplace btw). why would she repeat over and over about having her freshly fucked pussy eaten and actually pretend it was, but it stayed 12inches away?

there were about 5 great opportunities to make it a classic...seemed to be the plan before it was shot, but it failed on execution.

i get this all the time with foot fetish shit...they think waving a FOOT by the camera for 2seconds constitutes something foot people want.

the chick in movie was very talented/acting and all...she got clipped by the director of this thing

most of the movies are falling short...just like this. i probably could find something to jerk too if there was nothing else to jerk to on my desert island

kinda left me a little pissed off....because i see lots of this happening. it only takes 10-20seconds to finish out any of these scenes in ANY movie...turns them into something great, instead of something that will never be watched again

justsomedude101

LordCrash Yeah, be super interesting to try to figure out an algorithm or equation that would actually be able to assess some of this stuff. Especially for which specific scenes drew in new memberships- maybe which new releases are streamed/downloaded within 60 mins of first time sign-up or something along those lines, not sure how else you could assess it short of a literal questionnaire.

But then again, I'm kind of assuming that's why the thread was started in the first place: they've almost certainly already looked into all of these factors in a dozen different ways considering their position in the market, and the like/favorite count was the best overall predictor of a scene that was "worthwhile" to release.

But as usual I'm just taking guesses, so who knows 🤷‍♂️

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